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There is obviously going to be a fair bit of negotiating between manufacturers and governments in the next few months.

BMW are supposedly quoted as saying they cannot make a petrol engine attain the 2020 Euro limits without it being a hybrid but they can with a diesel.

My car is one of those affected but the Sunday Times reckon I am under no legal obligation to have the car updated by Audi.

duke63 wrote:There is obviously going to be a fair bit of negotiating between manufacturers and governments in the next few months.

BMW are supposedly quoted as saying they cannot make a petrol engine attain the 2020 Euro limits without it being a hybrid but they can with a diesel.

My car is one of those affected but the Sunday Times reckon I am under no legal obligation to have the car updated by Audi.

Tbh I'd predict it will lose power and mpg if you have it updated, so why bother? Expect big shake ups on emissions on new cars. I just hope they don't pick on existing ones

C00kiemonster wrote:

duke63 wrote:..... I just hope they don't pick on existing ones

I suspect that it's a given mate.
The older diesels are far more polluting, so I can foresee some draconian legislation that will effectively cull them.

I bet my little Vito trackday transport module will be outlawed.

C00kiemonster wrote: Tbh I'd predict it will lose power and mpg if you have it updated, so why bother? Expect big shake ups on emissions on new cars. I just hope they don't pick on existing ones

I suspect you will be right. The diesel tuners are going to make a fortune

StMarks, I can't see any legislation being introduced in the near future country-wide re heritage emissions, there's too much old kit out there to make that feasible without causing compensation issues.
What I can see however, is an extension of the London Low Emissions Zone to other cities, whereby all vehicles older than 2006/2002 (depending on vehicle type) are currently heavily penalised for being in London, that could be introduced in all large towns and cities, but the cameras and infrastructure required is frankly too expensive at present for it to be rolled out in anything other than major cities, but make no mistake it'll come in the next 10-15 years imho.

London is a joke.

Why on earth they allow big polluting vehicles like Bugatti Veyrons and Lamborghinis drive round the City is beyond me yet they want commercial vehicles to be electric.

Do many people own Veyrons and Lambos around there, mate??

There's a production threshold on vehicles like that before emission regs. become mandatory....at least that's my understanding.

They do in the City of London.

Not being argumentative but they pay their road tax the same as everyone else I have no problem with them using any public roads that I can.

It's a free country with free choices imo.

It's the same foreign yobbo's, crims and organised crime that own the flash cars as have driven the property prices to obscene levels in London, but most of those cars are recent and will have had to pass Euro 5 emission controls, so theoretically should be clean engines, mind you Lamborghini , Bugatti and Ferrari may be bricking getting busted the same as VW for all I know.

I have no issue with the cars, Blade, but the air in London is still full of pollution and cars like those will be the worst offenders. If they want clean air in City centres just ban them all.

Why the feck would you want drive one of those around the streets of London anyway other than to be a flash git. Cars like that are made for the open road and the track.

The same could be said for sportsbikes.

Agree but they are free to use them where ever they wish imo. A hand full of exotic supercar's are not the cause of LONDONs Pollution imo. I don't know what exactly is but I'm sure it's not the minority of supercar owners.

Kwacky wrote:The same could be said for sportsbikes.

I would ban all petrol and diesel vehicles from City centres if i had my way.

It would be pointless many people owning them then and reduce the traffic on the roads and increase the use of public transport.

Not sure it would decrease traffic but just shift people from fossil fuel powered cars into electric cars that are charged by power mostly generated by fossil fuels ironically.

Is traffic londons main cause of pollution ?

I don't know it's a genuine question.

The traffic on UK roads decreased dramatically when the price of fuel got close to £1.50 per litre and now its cheap again the roads are full of traffic.

It doesn't take a lot to get traffic off the roads.

Blade wrote:Is traffic londons main cause of pollution ?

I don't know it's a genuine question.

Yes. It contributes to 63% of all air pollution in London.

When i went to a Hyde park concert in the summer both myself and my brother struggled with breathing issues caused by pollution.

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Good info Duke but a handful of supercar's cannot be held responsible imo.

What's the answer though ? If you switch to electric vehicles your just moving the problem as most of the electric generations is provided from fossil fuel power stations.

That's true but those power stations are generally out in the countryside and they are heavily regulated regarding air quality and pollution.

The issue with air quality in large cities is that it tends to hang around.