Free broadband for everyone

[Kwacky]

You can live without electricity and gas

[Blade]

You can live without electricity and gas

But you cant power your free broadband router with out electricity

And even if you could, you would die of dehydration through a lack of free water, so the free broadband is only free and un-useable for your final 7 days before death

[Rossgo]

And that's exactly why you are the problem with this country and not the solution

Please explain why? What part of it is so bad to you?

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Because you view the world through such I narrow lens. You'd rather the needy didn't get the things they need if it means a small majority get something you don't think they deserve or didn't work for.

Imagine if we ran the NHS like that? Or anything for that matter!

I wouldn't like to think narrow lens. I believe a system that we all put into is a stronger one. Every little helps IMO. At work we all play our parts and the team is stronger, infact we are a well oiled M/C when we all pull our weight, like I'm sure you and your team do

Please explain why I should think this is all fair and justified and I should be absolutely fine with it paying for broadband for people still not to have a job and to put into the pot like we all do. Or should I nanny people and say everything is fine?

However people who fall on tough times is a completely different matter

Anyway this is going past the free broadband statement!!

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[duke63]

I doubt broadband costs a lot to run once the cabling is there.

Sadly Britain has on the whole become a very selfish and insular population which is why I have had enough of it.

Some Tory twat politician was shut up on breakfast TV this morning when he rabbited on bout how high taxation countries are always unhappy until he was reminded how the countries that come top of the happiest places to live in Europe actually had the highest taxation, namely the Scandinavian countries.

[duke63]

And just to add that anyone who runs their own business has seen their personal tax liability rise by 7.5% of the last 5 years.

So maybe they ought to think carefully before they make such sweeping bullshit statements.

[Blade]

In fairness Duke, I lot of people are making " sweeping bullshit statements" these days, but I fully agree they should get their facts straight first

[Blade]

I really don't get why Broadband should be free. Can some one please explain.

I can't think of any other service which is free, so why use tax payers money to provide free broadband? Surely that money could be used in public services in much need of it like NHS, Crime fighting, education etc...... first.

Make good quality, broadband readily available to everyone and ensure its priced fairly, but why make it free.

[StMarks]

It would not be free, it would be part of the infrastructure that our taxes fund ( like the roads network).

Fwiw I agree with Blade, that other services like water & roads are more vital to our current society than Broadband.
I suspect that cabled versions may become less important anyway, as mobile technology develops.
However I have no problem with all UK phone cabling, power & water supplies etc,, being state owned rather than their distribution being charged to us by profit making corporations.

[Kwacky]

I really don't get why Broadband should be free. Can some one please explain.

I can't think of any other service which is free, so why use tax payers money to provide free broadband? Surely that money could be used in public services in much need of it like NHS, Crime fighting, education etc...... first.

Make good quality, broadband readily available to everyone and ensure its priced fairly, but why make it free.

As has been said a few times in this thread, it's not truly free.

only 8% of the population has access to full fibre internet. Labour aren't the first to proposed online access to all, but they're the first to propose that the government is responsible for installing it.

As I said right at the start of this thread, ensuring everyone is connected will reduce traffic, create jobs, allow people to see their GP online, create trade and business, allow more people to work from home, allow more people who care for others to have access to wider community and also work online and generally reduce the overall burden on the national infrastructure.

So I appreciate the argument about the cost, but that's the same as arguing that it's expensive to build a hospital, or road, or train lines. You have to invest if you want to get rewards.

People must be able to see that this is a good thing and will only boost the economy?

[D6]

Free broadband. But supplied by sky. So it drops out all the time. And just pisses you off more than if you never had it

[Rossgo]

Unsure if it does open up jobs. Surely if a whole office can work from home it shuts down jobs like cleaners, in house IT Departments, health and safety jobs, maybe even office based occupational health nurse. These jobs would then become cabling and tech jobs which isn't for everyone, cleaners anyone can do regardless of education. I may very well be wrong I'm just thinking what would be knock on effects.

But I do agree if you office gits didn't go to work and started to work from home maybe people like myself would get home a lot quicker (joking of course - I work 12 hrs way before and after rush hour )

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[D6Nutz]

What about families in very low incomes at or near the poverty line? When every penny you have goes on the pure basics of surviving.

If they where given the opportunity to access the internet from home for free do you not think those people could treasurer they opportunity to work additional home based jobs to increase their income and better their position in life. Would their kids not benefit from access to information and training material to hopefully escape the poverty and debt cycles that families and generations get stuck in.

We are all very lucky and privileged. Not everyone is quite so fortunate, but a lot would like to be.

Watch rich house poor house if you want to see some examples.

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[duke63]

It's not difficult to see from this thread alone that our society is tearing itself apart by the majority being turned against each other whilst the rich fat cats keep sipping the luxuries of life whilst sitting on a beach or yacht or private island many miles away.

[Blade]

The government cant fund its current commitments so why take on new ones it clearly hasn't got the funds to deliver.

I disagree with this privilege and luck position. Hard work took me forward and hard work and determination can take anyone forward. People will disagree with that, but if you want to succeed you will. If you want things to happen easily, if you want to be gifted opportunity and expect things to arrive on a plate expect to be disappointed.

Nothing wrong with hard work and reward.

[Kwacky]

What's with with giving someone the tools needed to get on?

There seems to be this idea that anyone who hasn't made it in their lives is nothing more than lazy.

Conversely, if you believe that it's only hard work you need to get on, how is that over 50% of our prime minsters have come from one school? Nepotism is rife in this country. Class is still a massive issue in this country. Lots of people are prevented from moving up simply because of their race, gender, sexuality or background.

There's different types of help. Some is seen as acceptable. Some is seen as wasting money on freeloaders.

[Ash]

I live in a rural area and my down load speed is that bad virtually everything buffers.
They have just run fibre past the end of the cul de sac where I live and have just dug the hole for the nice new box to put a junction box on the cable.
Virgin stops about 400 yards up the road, not enough take up to extend it.
I don't get a good phone signal on any of the mobile networks, as we live in a dip.
Where's the money going to come from to pay for free broadband connection, buying all of the networks won't be a realistic proposition.

We don't have a bus service either.

[Blade]

We just have different views I guess Kwacky.

What's wrong with giving people the tools to succeed you ask? The simple answer is nothing, but when something is given freely it will get abused and ultimately someone has to pay somewhere along the lines as nothing is free.

Free broadband wont fix society, it wont create jobs, it will get dead legs watching free porn nothing more. Those that want to get on will get on as they will find a way, those that are determined to succeed will succeed. If you have nt got broadband and want to find work go to the library to logon, go to the job centre and talk to people, make yourself available and attractive to employers dont sit at home and wait for someone else to fix your problems, take some personal responsibility. If some said to me I would have a good job and no problems in my life if we had access to free internet, I would laugh as their head is in the clouds.

For every 10 people that would benefit from free internet there are a 1000 more that would abuse it and roll out different excuses as why they arent where they want to be. Lifes full of excuses, very few of which are sincere.

Where do you draw the line with giving people the tools to succeed?

Should water be free
Should electricity be free
Should heating be free
Should mobile phones be free
Should transport be free

No government can give everything to everyone. I believe health care and secondary education should be free but if you want to succeed I believe it should be earned not given.

[Blade]

I live in a rural area and my down load speed is that bad virtually everything buffers.
They have just run fibre past the end of the cul de sac where I live and have just dug the hole for the nice new box to put a junction box on the cable.
Virgin stops about 400 yards up the road, not enough take up to extend it.
I don't get a good phone signal on any of the mobile networks, as we live in a dip.
Where's the money going to come from to pay for free broadband connection, buying all of the networks won't be a realistic proposition.

We don't have a bus service either.

Broadband shouldn't be free but it should be available to everyone at a fair price is my position.

Climbing down from my soap box and trying to help have you and all your neigbhours requested access to virigin media via their "cable my street" initiative?

Good luck and hope you get things sorted.

[Monty]

For anyone wondering why the German, Dutch, French and Chinese state own large swathes of our public infrastructure. There's massive profit in it that they are re-investing back into their own infrastructure.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... Xz9M2LgFak" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are literally funding cheap European rail fares, the **** irony!

[D41]

Radio is free.
And it was the "information highway" of it's time....albeit a one-way street.
I don't see it out of the realm of possibility to have free broadband...just have advertising to offset the cost.
I forget what movie service I had a while back....it's free, but with adverts.

Mobile phones are free here in Cali...or maybe the entire U.S., if you qualify.