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Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 09:24
by Kwacky
Voting tomorrow. Regardless of the outcome I hope some positives come out of this.

I still think we'll vote to remain. On the back of how the public has reacted I suspect that both this government and the EU will agree to make some changes. It's clear that many aren't happy with the way that the EU is set up and the perceived inequality for some countries.

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 11:08
by Monty
I hope you're right. This has been a horrible debate, just hope we can move on with the positives of which ever way we go.

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 16:04
by C00kiemonster
Monty wrote:I hope you're right. This has been a horrible debate, just hope we can move on with the positives of which ever way we go.
Ditto - i don't want to imagine if the out vote win :(

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 16:24
by Kwacky
C00kiemonster wrote:
Ditto - i don't want to imagine if the out vote win :(
Books burned, shop windows smashed in, painted slogans on doorways.....

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 16:49
by C00kiemonster
Kwacky wrote:
C00kiemonster wrote:
Ditto - i don't want to imagine if the out vote win :(
Books burned, shop windows smashed in, painted slogans on doorways.....
I'll buy the balaclavas :)

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 18:33
by Perkles
U2 and his holiness Bono have waded in now,that's swayed it for me

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 22 Jun 2016, 21:01
by C00kiemonster
Make sure you all vote tomorrow - vote remain :)

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 07:06
by Blade
So if vout out can the UK ditch the power sapping Euro4 emissions ?

We'd have the best sportsbikes in Europe then (rock)

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 09:29
by TonyB
Just been to vote


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Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 11:21
by Jack
the whole thing is a farce and a sham , nothing will change for the vast majority of people , either way the common man will be shafted , since joining the EU we have seen a steady decline in real terms of the average wage suffered the loss of our coal , steel and shipbuilding industries , seen the decline of the unions to the point where they are ineffective , sold almost all of our public utilities and seen the outsourcing of public services to private corporations , I am at a loss to see how this has been good for the common man .

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 11:44
by Monty
Jack wrote:the whole thing is a farce and a sham , nothing will change for the vast majority of people , either way the common man will be shafted , since joining the EU we have seen a steady decline in real terms of the average wage suffered the loss of our coal , steel and shipbuilding industries , seen the decline of the unions to the point where they are ineffective , sold almost all of our public utilities and seen the outsourcing of public services to private corporations , I am at a loss to see how this has been good for the common man .
Jack that's got nothing to do with Europe, you can thank Thatcher, Blair, Brown and Cammoron for that.

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 11:49
by Jack
but the EU did nothing to protect the common man nor will it in the future

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:03
by Kwacky
Apart from the European Convention of Human Rights and all of the worker rights, health and safety, the environment (remember poisoned water and acid rain?) , maternity and paternity cover, severance pay, working hours directive, holiday entitlement, equality, anti discrimination, etc.

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:05
by Monty
Yeah, splitters!

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:14
by Perkles
**** you lot I'm moving to north Korea

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:25
by Kwacky
No balti houses there. You've not through this through.

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:39
by Jack
Kwacky wrote:Apart from the European Convention of Human Rights and all of the worker rights, health and safety, the environment (remember poisoned water and acid rain?) , maternity and paternity cover, severance pay, working hours directive, holiday entitlement, equality, anti discrimination, etc.

Those things are only any good if you have a job , aren't equality and anti discrimination the same thing ? we were a signator on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 long before we joined the EU , we also had laws governing severance pay / redundancy pay and the first national health service and workers rights that were fought for by the unions , we had the first welfare for unemployed etc etc etc , we were not backward in these areas and I cannot believe that they would not have continued to improve either in line with or possibly even ahead of our european counterparts

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:50
by Blade
Wonder if the TS Poll is representative of the national Opinion and referendum outcome ?

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 12:54
by Kwacky
We'll know by midday tomorrow.

Re: In, out or shake it all about?

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 13:42
by Rossgo
Either way it's going To be interesting. Maybe we stay in and maybe our leader will get some balls on him and get better deals for us, maybe we get out and get better deals elsewhere.
I'm unsure why people are scared of change, change happens whether big or small it's the ability to deal and cope with it that WILL make us stand out!

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