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Postby duke63 » 30 Oct 2021, 10:52

Reckon she will make Christmas? :^ (wasntme)
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Re: The Queen

Postby Kwacky » 30 Oct 2021, 11:03

Dunno. She's old and she's lost her husband. It's not unusual to see someone rapidly deteriorate after they lose a loved one.
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Re: The Queen

Postby C00kiemonster » 30 Oct 2021, 11:06

Obviously i hope she does, but she is very old now.

I for one think she's done a good job overall. Now they need to skip a generation of heirs :D
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Re: The Queen

Postby Kwacky » 30 Oct 2021, 12:07

I would like Charles to step aside but he's been waiting a very long time to take the throne.

Kate and William seem to be very popular with the public. I think if there's going to be any changes to the way the monarchy is set up then that pair are more likely to get approval.
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Re: The Queen

Postby duke63 » 30 Oct 2021, 12:37

I think the Duke played a far bigger part in keeping her together than we will ever know.

Now he has gone, like many in that position, she has probably lost the will to continue.
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Re: The Queen

Postby D41 » 30 Oct 2021, 13:16

She's 95.... it's going to happen sooner rather than later, but she's definitely had a great inning.
Charles should take the throne if only to keep the institution intact, the "lineage" if you will.....his reign will not be a lengthy one. The younguns will have their day in due course.
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Re: The Queen

Postby Monty » 01 Nov 2021, 11:33

When she does go it's time to sell the lot off to the "The Tussauds Group" and move on. There's no place for a hereditary monarchy in the 21st century.

No one would accept a new line to the throne now, so why accept an existing one?
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Re: The Queen

Postby Cav » 01 Nov 2021, 11:40

Let's not turn this thread political, Monty. I muted that thread for a reason.
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Re: The Queen

Postby D41 » 01 Nov 2021, 12:08

Monty wrote:
No one would accept a new line to the throne now, so why accept an existing one?


Because there's nothing to accept....the House Of Windsor is already in place - "acceptance" doesn't come into it.
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Re: The Queen

Postby Kwacky » 01 Nov 2021, 12:33

That's not the point he's making. What he's saying is if there was a open throne then it's unlikely the public would want to continue with the monarchy.
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Re: The Queen

Postby D41 » 01 Nov 2021, 12:53

I understand that, but it's a purely hypothetical situation. If - and it's a big if.... IF there was no royal family, it'd be unlikely that one would be "installed" in this day & age. I get that.
But there is one, and they've been in place for generations, so it's not like it's just been started from scratch and imposed upon anyone.
Granted they may be something of an anachronism these days, but that's what makes them stand out, and one of the many things that makes the UK unique for the most part, from other countries - at least in The West.
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Re: The Queen

Postby Monty » 01 Nov 2021, 18:37

It's not hypothetical, every time a monarch dies and is replaced the people have the choice to either accept or reject them. Eventually, in any democracy, that person will be rejected by a majority and the line will end. History is littered with them and it's only a matter of time. Maybe not this time, maybe the next time but they get more irrelevant with every generation.
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Re: The Queen

Postby D41 » 01 Nov 2021, 19:38

Monty wrote:It's not hypothetical, every time a monarch dies and is replaced the people have the choice to either accept or reject them. Eventually, in any democracy, that person will be rejected by a majority and the line will end.


Fine then....not hypothetically but realistically, how likely do you think that is going to happen within your lifetime..??
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Re: The Queen

Postby Monty » 01 Nov 2021, 20:26

D41 wrote:
Monty wrote:It's not hypothetical, every time a monarch dies and is replaced the people have the choice to either accept or reject them. Eventually, in any democracy, that person will be rejected by a majority and the line will end.


Fine then....not hypothetically but realistically, how likely do you think that is going to happen within your lifetime..??


Maybe not this time, maybe the next time but they get more irrelevant with every generation.

No idea to be honest, but I do know this current generation is not remotely interested
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Re: The Queen

Postby D41 » 01 Nov 2021, 22:32

I'm not exactly sure what "this current generation" actually is, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you mean the younger generation...??

The first three polls that google just pulled up for me all indicate that support for the Royal Family still hovers over the 50% mark... although admittedly the figures have dropped a few points recently.
Only around a quarter of people polled...26% in this instance, want them gone completely. The people polled ranged in age between 15 & 49 years old.
Is that the generation you were going on about, or did I miss one?
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Re: The Queen

Postby duke63 » 01 Nov 2021, 22:33

It an archaic concept that should be dumped in the bin marked 'history'.

Then sell off all the Crown land, clear the Country's debt and share the rest equally. We would be the wealthiest Nation in the world.
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Re: The Queen

Postby kiwikrasher » 01 Nov 2021, 22:54

duke63 wrote:Then sell off all the Crown land, clear the Country's debt and share the rest equally. We would be the wealthiest Nation in the world.


I was curious about this comment, while I know was entirely flippant, how it stacked up in reality

UK general government gross debt was £2,224.5 billion at the end of financial year ending March 2021


the royal family’s reported $88 billion net worth


They better get a bloody good real estate agent is all I’m saying (lol) (lol)
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Re: The Queen

Postby duke63 » 01 Nov 2021, 23:29

The Crown land, is I think different to the Royal Family's personal wealth.

The Crown Estate owns 1/6th of all the land in the world.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainmen ... wner.html/
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Re: The Queen

Postby kiwikrasher » 02 Nov 2021, 01:00

duke63 wrote:The Crown land, is I think different to the Royal Family's personal wealth.

The Crown Estate owns 1/6th of all the land in the world.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainmen ... wner.html/


But that ownership is a technicality.. commonwealth ownership of sovereign lands.

It’s not actually viable assets.

A quick referendum and a big chunk of that is gone. Australia last had a monarchy vs republic referendum in 1999. It was 5.2 mil for republic and 6.4 mil for monarchy. I reckon 22 yrs down the track that might be a bit different.

A recent poll also suggests increasing popular support for a republic. According to the YouGov poll, 62% of Australians said they wanted the head of state to be an Australian.
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Re: The Queen

Postby D41 » 02 Nov 2021, 06:26

I should imagine the Crown Land goes with the crown itself (and whoever is wearing it).....it's not something that can be just sold off en masse, or parted-out as & when the sovereign gets the urge to do a little downsizing.

Be funny if it could be though..
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