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Hth.
No i want them to be taught pride, honor and some self respect. I want them to be a taught a trade that can be used in civvie life so they dont have to return to crime and give us the problem. The military services can teach them this, they wont have to go back to boring old school, they wont be stuck in a classroom all day, maybe these people have been given up on all their lives amd lile others hsve said do this sort of stuff for attention etc, maybe even a place to sleep (jail for the night). The military have that capability, yes it would be hard and they would find it difficult and prob want to quit but i bet many would say its saved their lives from commiting again when finishing their serviceKwacky wrote:Do you really want to teach our criminals how to shoot people?
Fwiw one of the "best" soldiers I ever served alongside had never known his father. His mother was a lifelong addict & he was brought up being bounced from foster homes to care homes to borstals. At sixteen he enlisted in the Paras junior soldiers, and apparently barely scraped through training ( resentment of authority, presumably a legacy of those borstals).Kwacky wrote:Rossgo, I don't think you can get hold of kids who have been career criminals and turn them into model citizens with a few weeks basic training. I admire your optimism but it ain't going to work...
chain them together in pink outfits and get them out fixing the roads ,litter picking and whatever else needs doing .Kwacky wrote:How about a half way house?
Put them in prison but make them get up at 6am, do drill for an hour, breakfast, then clean the prison, then exercise, etc?
Make prison uncomfortable. Make them work to pay off their debts.
This is also a very good idea. Service the community and make it into a better one. Its disgusting how many people dont look after our streets nowadays. Lazy f♤cks in my opinionJack wrote:chain them together in pink outfits and get them out fixing the roads ,litter picking and whatever else needs doing .Kwacky wrote:How about a half way house?
Put them in prison but make them get up at 6am, do drill for an hour, breakfast, then clean the prison, then exercise, etc?
Make prison uncomfortable. Make them work to pay off their debts.
I think you have a very workable solution there .
Jeez thats hard hitting. Clearly a very good solider though. Did you ever find out how he coped when he left the army?!StMarks wrote:Fwiw one of the "best" soldiers I ever served alongside had never known his father. His mother was a lifelong addict & he was brought up being bounced from foster homes to care homes to borstals. At sixteen he enlisted in the Paras junior soldiers, and apparently barely scraped through training ( resentment of authority, presumably a legacy of those borstals).Kwacky wrote:Rossgo, I don't think you can get hold of kids who have been career criminals and turn them into model citizens with a few weeks basic training. I admire your optimism but it ain't going to work...
Anyway by the end of his three year term he had morphed into a focused & regimented individual & he signed on for the next six. By the time we met, he was "a machine", more resilient, resourceful & assiduous than most of us could even conceive.
So, he was quite literally a superb soldier.
He was also, (as his parentage already indicated) an utter bastard. -Not his fault, I should point out, he simply was/is a psychopath. You could depend on him to cover your back 100%, -just so long as it served his interests. The army had taught him that looking after his colleagues was in his interests, and so he did. However he may have been closer than a brother to me, but he could never have been a "friend" because he didn't have the empathy necessary for that.
IMHO Kwacky had a valid point.: You can only be concerned, when his type demob.