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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby D41 » 04 Apr 2021, 17:00

So you'd agree that as far as saving money goes, it's just "people being people" rather than based upon location, nationality, etc.?

$400 in savings sucks BTW...I have more than that in my sock drawer.
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby Stonesie » 04 Apr 2021, 17:22

It's a world of credit, I have only recently wrangled my own credit into some kind of order and now have a reserve fund of about £500 (Growing weekly) along with minimal credit card debt.

Since paying off one card I am getting multiple offers for bigger and bigger loans from that company at very tempting interest rates... Almost as if they want the poor to stay in debt...
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby duke63 » 04 Apr 2021, 19:36

D41 wrote:So you'd agree that as far as saving money goes, it's just "people being people" rather than based upon location, nationality, etc.?

$400 in savings sucks BTW...I have more than that in my sock drawer.


The USA always makes claims about being the land of opportunity and personal wealth but the facts don't bear that out.

The UK is just following the same sad route.

The more pertinent point is about a third of all dollars every printed, were printed last year. No doubt the UK is similar

I do know that over 90% of all UK Government borrowings last year were from the Bank of England and it printed over £1 trillion last year.
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby duke63 » 22 Apr 2021, 08:18

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This is a map showing high speed rail links built in 10 years in China.
And how long is it taking the British to build HS2?
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby Cav » 22 Apr 2021, 08:23

duke63 wrote:This is a map showing high speed rail links built in 10 years in China.
And how long is it taking the British to build HS2?

How many Chinese workers weren't paid or died making it?
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby StMarks » 22 Apr 2021, 08:36

I do realise I hark on about it a lot (blush), but imo we are looking at a new world order in a relatively short timescale.
Egypt
Greece
Rome
From the time when their civilisations were technologically leading the world, to them becoming forgotten backwaters, was hundreds or thousands of years.
It seems that the demise of the British Empire will be no less polar, but much quicker. :(

Cav wrote:How many Chinese workers weren't paid or died making it?
please be aware I'm not mitigating relentless progress, but The Black Country is so named for "our" similar reason & not so long ago.?
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby Perkles » 22 Apr 2021, 09:59

duke63 wrote:Image
This is a map showing high speed rail links built in 10 years in China.
And how long is it taking the British to build HS2?

we do everything by committee ,we are capable of building anything ,the Chinese are told what to do and they do it
I worked closely with a young Chinese lady for many years she would never go back to China and much prefers the UK way of life
I still prefer to have some freedom, I like sweet and sour prawn balls though
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby D41 » 22 Apr 2021, 13:30

duke63 wrote:Image
This is a map showing high speed rail links built in 10 years in China.
And how long is it taking the British to build HS2?


To be fair, China is starting with a relatively clean slate.... the country itself has a lot of open space to build in/on, and they're importing much of the technology, then copying it.
The existing British rail network was never planned with high-speed trains in mind, yet they still did very well with the HST rolling stock. Any new system will be vying with the one already in place, and which already occupies the best spots, or at least the most optimum spots of the day.
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby Cav » 22 Apr 2021, 13:56

They probably don't care if houses are in the way either... "your house is getting knocked down next week. MOVE."
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby D41 » 22 Apr 2021, 15:25

Eminent domain = imminent doom!!
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby duke63 » 22 Apr 2021, 15:46

Cav wrote:They probably don't care if houses are in the way either... "your house is getting knocked down next week. MOVE."


Is Britain any different in that respect?
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby StMarks » 22 Apr 2021, 16:49

duke63 wrote:...Is Britain any different in that respect?

Imho yes;, Their approach is that development overrides all else (as was the British greed driven system of the Empire ).
Our approach now is that everyone has a valued opinion.
I'm not saying the ruthless approach is necessarily better (ask Perkle's friend), however there seems little point in denying that it is far more conducive to "progress".?
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby D6Nutz » 22 Apr 2021, 16:59

StMarks wrote:
duke63 wrote:...Is Britain any different in that respect?

Imho yes;, Their approach is that development overrides all else (as was the British greed driven system of the Empire ).
Our approach now is that everyone has a valued opinion.
I'm not saying the ruthless approach is necessarily better (ask Perkle's friend), however there seems little point in denying that it is far more conducive to "progress".?


I'm not so sure about that StM... Ask the people that have had their houses force purchased or outlook ruined so HS2 can pass... Or how about the people living next to the new Brexit carparks..... Or how about the farmers that have had their farms bought from under them on compulsory purchase orders so houses can be built on the land..

The British greed is still strong, and recent events have shown that our government is only too happy to help others (mainly their mates) to make money in any way possible.
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby StMarks » 22 Apr 2021, 17:10

D6Nutz wrote:...... Ask the people that have had their houses force purchased or outlook ruined so HS2 can pass... Or how about the people living next to the new Brexit carparks..... Or how about the farmers that have had their farms bought from under them on compulsory purchase orders so houses can be built on the land..

The British greed is still strong, and recent events have shown that our government is only too happy to help others (mainly their mates) to make money in any way possible.

I utterly agree with you, however respectfully would like to point out that much of the reason that HS2 is still only a project, and those inconvenienced have some voice, may primally due to that "greed driver" being constrained by our current social structures.?
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby D6Nutz » 22 Apr 2021, 18:23

While we're on the subject of greed and corruption.

Fifth of UK Covid contracts ‘raised red flags for possible corruption’

Report finds ‘apparent systemic bias’ in award of lucrative PPE deals favouring firms connected to Tories



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... corruption

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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby Perkles » 22 Apr 2021, 19:54

D6Nutz wrote:
StMarks wrote:
duke63 wrote:...Is Britain any different in that respect?

Imho yes;, Their approach is that development overrides all else (as was the British greed driven system of the Empire ).
Our approach now is that everyone has a valued opinion.
I'm not saying the ruthless approach is necessarily better (ask Perkle's friend), however there seems little point in denying that it is far more conducive to "progress".?


I'm not so sure about that StM... Ask the people that have had their houses force purchased or outlook ruined so HS2 can pass... Or how about the people living next to the new Brexit carparks..... Or how about the farmers that have had their farms bought from under them on compulsory purchase orders so houses can be built on the land..

The British greed is still strong, and recent events have shown that our government is only too happy to help others (mainly their mates) to make money in any way possible.

Most people I spoke to who owned land,factories and houses next to hs2 where I worked in Birmingham for many years cashed in big time
I would rather live in the uk than China and most countries I’ve visited and I’ve visited a lot
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby duke63 » 22 Apr 2021, 21:08

I would still bet good money that in 25 years time rail travel is the main form of transport for journeys of more than 10 miles as it can be done almost free of emissions and move many people quickly.

In France there is a move to ban internal flights where the rail journey can be done in less than, I think, 2.5 hours.

Climate change is what will drive future travel and not individual convenience.
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby duke63 » 22 Apr 2021, 21:10

My original post was really to highlight how when the will is there, man can do things very quickly and efficiently until others have personal agendas.
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby duke63 » 08 May 2021, 10:21

Imagine being the indigenous people in your Country yet being treated like a second class human and being told history only started when the English arrived?????????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-56544429
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Re: World Politics Stuff (not brexit)

Postby kiwikrasher » 08 May 2021, 13:22

duke63 wrote:Imagine being the indigenous people in your Country yet being treated like a second class human and being told history only started when the English arrived?????????

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-56544429


Being from a neighbouring country and a whole different approach to the indigenous people (through NZ’s history is far from perfect) I find the Aussie history and treatment of its original land owners pretty horrific.
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