Vivienne Westwood RIP

[duke63]

Iconic and innovative designer and played a huge part in giving UK punk its image.

So much of my youth is disappearing fast.

[Kwacky]

Another icon gone

[StMarks]

She was the bin liner dress woman wasn't she.?
TBH totally uninterested in her or the tat she sold to the gullible fops.

Far more consequential loss, imo, is that John Bird has died.

[duke63]

She was the bin liner dress woman wasn't she.?
TBH totally uninterested in her or the tat she sold to the gullible fops.

Far more consequential loss, imo, is that John Bird has died.

Way more than that, St Marks.

The movement was more about being individual and true to yourself rather than a slave to fashion.

Like all these things though, once the commercial element seeps in and the money men see a profit to be made, it destroys it.

[Kwacky]

She created a look for an entire generation

[StMarks]

The movement was more about being individual and true to yourself rather than a slave to fashion.

Like all these things though, once the commercial element seeps in and the money men see a profit to be made, it destroys it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this I'm afraid mate.

I see your point, & I've heard that perspective a billions of times from a billions of people. They all buy the whole "revolution, counter culture" b*ll*cks.
Fww I simply see just another fashion/fad era, with the usual demographic as the fashion victims. The only substantive difference imho was the extent to which the "kings new clothes" were swallowed as reality by the "eager hordes of blinkered lemmings".
I may well have been the only fool. Simply too stupid to understand why it was necessary to have ridiculous haircuts, crap quality ineffective clothing & enjoy listening to screaming potty mouthed morons with no musical aptitude.
Nonetheless I kept my cynical opinions largely to myself back then, because my perception (rightly or wrongly) was that there were more substantive problems afoot than the manipulation of the fashion conscious.

[duke63]

Read the books of John Lydon, Steve Jones and others if that era and at the start it really was very different.

They were all misfits and generally didn’t fit into the society of that time but her shop gave them an escape from feeling an outcast as they were all coming from the same place in a different way.

Steve Jones autobiography is a real eye opener as to how banal and depressing mid 70s Britain was if you were a teenager from the wrong side of the tracks.

[D41]

Steve Jones autobiography is a real eye opener as to how banal and depressing mid 70s Britain was if you were a teenager from the wrong side of the tracks.

Sorry, but all I've ever heard him, or John Lydon do, is complain. They've both made more of a career out of being disgruntled 60+ year-old teenagers than anyone else I've ever come across.

[duke63]

Steve Jones autobiography is a real eye opener as to how banal and depressing mid 70s Britain was if you were a teenager from the wrong side of the tracks.

Sorry, but all I've ever heard him, or John Lydon do, is complain. They've both made more of a career out of being disgruntled 60+ year-old teenagers than anyone else I've ever come across.

Dig past the side of these people the media would want you to believe.

Remember they were public enemy number one in the UK in 1976-77 and their were senior politicians and church leaders who wanted them locked up for ‘poisoning’ the minds of the young people of Britain and turning them into degenerates apparently.

[D41]

I don't have to dig past anything....I've met him, albeit very briefly - and he was a total @rsehole.... he's a fat lump of lard as far as I'm concerned.
Too bad... his "Fire And Gasoline" solo album was a decent effort.... although he even managed to complain about that.