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[duke63]

How gutting for you, Blade.

Hopefully they can sort it to your satisfaction but for the monies involved I would want it perfect.

[Blade]

Cheers Duke I am gutted probably more this morning than yesterday tbh as it is now sinking in. Took me a year to find the right car at the right price and to walk away from the deal although it could be the sensible thing to do I also know it will take another year to find a similar spec car at the right price. It had all the options I wanted, right colour and wheels, low miles, 2 owners, good history etc.....

[Blade]

Could have been a lot worse though. The dealer was very helpful and honest so I had no reason to mistrust them and as I said, I had, had an independent inspection carried out so would have been easy to just accept it was a good car, pay and drive off.

If I had bought it I would be in a totally different place to where I am now with less options available to me. I would have also plaid £1000 to insure and tax it and been stuck on the hard shoulder of the M1 with a difficult decision to make, miles from home and it going dark in a few hours. If that had happened I really would have been p1$$ed off where at the moment I'm just disappointed with the option to still walk away.

We went on about a 20 minute test drive and it started misfiring about 400 metres from being back at the dealers so a very close call.

[C00kiemonster]

This really bothered me yesterday as its really not fair as I know you have been looking for a long time, not fair at all.

I think you are right and I think you must insist this is signed off as A1 by a Qualified porsche technician who will put his or her name to the car and it's quality.

It's 40k and as duke rightfully said it should be perfect (or near perfect). Otherwise taking it back to the dealer could be Pita as I assume it's many miles away?

[rocket]

Bit of a Shitter blade but at least it showed its head on the test drive like you said you could have got home and it started messing you about with the dealer a good distance away.

Does not sound like fuel to me i hope you find a resolution either it fixed or another car but sounds like there are not many out there.

[Blade]

Cheers Cookie. Yes dealer is 175 miles away. Doing some research people who have had this fault have struggled to get it diagnosed with it being fixed only to return. You change the the coil packs and the fault code clears but comes back in a week, you then change the maf and the same happens so you change the o2 sensor but it comes back then the variocam solenoid but it comes back and the cycle seems to keep repeating. This may be due to poor original diagnosis but it also concerns me that it could be given to me as repaired only for it to keep returning. I guess the only way it can be accepted is by being taken into Porsche main dealer and diagnosis on the factory software by a factory technician. Even the best Indy's probably don't have access to latest Porsche diagnosis software. Ideally I would then like a Porsche warranty instead of a 3rd party but to do that needs a £220 inspection all faults rectifying which is possible but it would also need a full service at £600-800 which isn't needed for another year and then I still have to have owned the car for 3 months so not really an option I can consider. If I get a 3rd party warranty my fear is they argue its wear and tear or some other bollocks to wriggle out of paying out.

[Perkles]

Walk away from it ,I know from experience Porsches cost a lot of money when you need to fix them
Another will come up,there are plenty about,I would try known cars from idependants as my 1st choice
Sometimes asking independants brings up cars that aren't advertised,that's how I sold mine

[duke63]

I've got a friend looking at buying a s/h Bentley going through similar dilemmas.

He can just about justify a car just under 10 years and Bentley dealers will put a car back to almost new spec and offer a decent warranty on it but obviously you pay for that with the price of the car. He has found some specialists offering their own very good warranties on cars they have serviced for a number of years.

I think Perkles is right, Blade and it makes more sense to walk away on this one.

Its gutting for it to have probably fallen though at the last moment...but even worse had you bought it and then it played up and you could not use it as and when you wanted.

[Blade]

I m coming to thee same conclusion.

Perkles for your info the car was serviced by Strasse at Leeds and I spoke to them about the car and they new the previous owner as had been a customer for over 10 years. They said he was a Porsche enthusiast and always had any recommended work carried out and never cut corners or worried about costs.

Seemed a very genuine car with a good history and good pedigree but unfortunately or dewpending how you view it fortunately it failed 400 metres from the end of the test drive. I'm going to view it as fortunate and walk away as I have lost my confidence in the car.

I genuinely don't believe the dealer was trying to sell me a lemon as never tried to talk me out of a test drive and has offered to reimburse my train cost home which I hope he honours.

Was a very long and disappointing day but maybe it wasn't meant to be and perhaps on reflection things were trying to tell me such. My first train to London was cancelled. Then the train from London to hitchin had to turn back 3 miles short of hitchin as a lorry had hit the bridge. Even on the way home the train was delayed for a medical emergency onboard that required an ambulance to be called and paramedics to attend.

[rocket]

I m coming to thee same conclusion.

Perkles for your info the car was serviced by Strasse at Leeds and I spoke to them about the car and they new the previous owner as had been a customer for over 10 years. They said he was a Porsche enthusiast and always had any recommended work carried out and never cut corners or worried about costs.

Seemed a very genuine car with a good history and good pedigree but unfortunately or dewpending how you view it fortunately it failed 400 metres from the end of the test drive. I'm going to view it as fortunate and walk away as I have lost my confidence in the car.

I genuinely don't believe the dealer was trying to sell me a lemon as never tried to talk me out of a test drive and has offered to reimburse my train cost home which I hope he honours.

Was a very long and disappointing day but maybe it wasn't meant to be and perhaps on reflection things were trying to tell me such. My first train to London was cancelled. Then the train from London to hitchin had to turn back 3 miles short of hitchin as a lorry had hit the bridge. Even on the way home the train was delayed for a medical emergency onboard that required an ambulance to be called and paramedics to attend.

Public transport lol and then they wonder why people use there own vehicles to get around.

Disappointing but i think your making the right decision about the car Blade hope something else comes up soon.

[Blade]

I probably will leave looking for now and just enjoy the ten over the summer.

[Rossgo]

Blade very gutting mate. However your clearly making the right decision to walk away. If your spending a he'll of a lot on a car you don't want to be spending more trying to fix it. Glad your be spending the time with the 10 that's your toy anyway and will certainly keep a smile on your face for the spring/summer [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH]

[Perkles]

I bought my 1st 911 from strasse they have a very good reputation but the fact is they ain't seling it and it's not in thier hands now
Jzm are good as is SVP the owner is my mate and now sells cars alongside his servicing business
Keep looking and take your time,the right one will come along

[Blade]

Cheers everyone.

Perkles do you know what the problem with lifters is if the car is left to stand. Some research is suggesting this could be the cause of the misfires.

[Perkles]

I only know the coil packs can go on them it's also a weak point on the cayenes

[Blade]

Yeah coil packs are my first thought but 3 to go together seems unlikely.

Reading some forum posts on the same fault some people mention lifters. I presume this is part of the valve train and seizes when left to stand and the oil drains away. Just wondered if you could clarify as I'm guessing.

[Perkles]

That wouldn't cause a mis firing car more like a ruined upper valve train which would be undriveable and a scrap engine
Give SVP or Jzm a call and tell them your after one and ask what to look out for

[Mac]

Only just read this Blade, and I'm sorely disappointed for you. Sounds like you made a sensible decision, and one I applause you for. Would've been far too easy to involve emotions and gone through with the deal. The right deal will come along.

[Blade]

Cheers Mac, hard decision to make I was gutted.

[Deegee]

Yeah coil packs are my first thought but 3 to go together seems unlikely.

Reading some forum posts on the same fault some people mention lifters. I presume this is part of the valve train and seizes when left to stand and the oil drains away. Just wondered if you could clarify as I'm guessing.

Firstly I know nothing about Porsches specifically, but I do know a little about engines generally. So this is just based on my meagre amount of knowledge.

Coil packs may be manufactured as a group of three (my old Galaxy had all six in one unit iirc) and any fault could be be common between all three cyls, it's unlikely but possible, more likely would be the trigger for that bank of cyls, if that wasn't 100% it could well cause a misfire as described.

Re "lifters" (cam followers to us Brits), the hydraulic variety have been around for years, they work by engine oil pressure extending them, thus removing the need to check valve clearances as they sit in the valve train somewhere between the valve and the camshaft depending on engine design. They've always been prone to either sticking or losing their seals, poor engine oil quality or infrequent changing of oil is normally a guaranteed failure. Yes the oil can drain away if the engine is stopped for a prolonged period - a problem that results in a "ticking" noise like a bad tappet when the engine is up and running again: however for a whole bank to suffer the same problem on its hydraulic followers is nigh on impossible I'd have thought, as not all of them will be trying to lift a valve when the engine was stopped for a long period of time at the dealers - due to the firing order dictating some valves open while others will be closed. Hence one or two cyls might have a an issue or even three scattered around the engine, but I can't understand how it would affect a whole bank, unless it was more of an engine oil supply issue to that banks hydraulic followers.

Apologies for not offering more help, but I hope the above is of some help. Cheers, DG.