New Street Triple coming - 10th January

[duke63]

Silver levers.so it's a no from me.


Joking aside if it's priced right they will be like gold dust this year.

[Cav]

121bhp..? Is that all?

What are Triumph doing these days - recruiting american engine designers?

[C00kiemonster]

It doesnt need any more as it's a middleweight naked. If it's torquey and the throttle is good it will be a winner imo.

[duke63]

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[Kwacky]

Not sure how you can sneer at 121BHP in a 765cc road naked.

The old street made around 105bhp from memory.

The new Z900 is about the same but that is a 948cc engine and it weighs in at 210kg wet

The 2016 Brutale 800 is 116 bhp and has the same amount of torque. It's dry weight is just above the new Street Triple.

Suzuki offer the GSX-750 which is 213kg wet and is down about 10bhp on the Triumph

It looks well placed in the naked middleweight market

[Kwacky]

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Looks like they're releasing the models in stages, with the RS out first in March, the S in April and the R in May.

Only the S has a confirmed price but I suspect that they will announce the other two before the London Bike Show.

[Cav]

IMO a middleweight naked should have 130bhp (seeing as middle weight now means "just under 1000cc" in most cases) and a heavyweight naked should have 160bhp.

The ZX6R has 128bhp so a 750 with significant mid-range torque should be able to produce the same peak power.

[Kwacky]

How many middle weights produce your suggested 130bhp?

Surely if a bike is tuned to produce more useable torque on the midrange you sacrifice peak power? After all, top BHP is usually near the end of the rev range and you're not going to spend all day up there on the road, are you?

There's a world of difference between what you say you want from a middleweight (600cc to 900cc IMO) and what's out there.

[duke63]

Figures mean bugger all in reality.

Its all about how a bike makes you feel unless you are racing it.

[Cav]

They don't which is why I'm not really interested in them.

I agree with the theory that more torque = less power but only when you talk about the same capacity. If you add another 100cc (in the case of the Triumph) you can add torque and keep power. The fact they've made this engine from a Daytona lump is more frustrating as the extra 100cc has actually lost close to 10bhp.

I agree, there is a huge difference. Maybe I'm missing something, maybe I need to go and ride these bikes but IMO a 750cc-900cc bike should be about to produce 130-150bhp with modern technology. The original fireblade (900cc) produced 150bhp 15 years ago !!!

[Kwacky]

I thought that the 675r Daytona produced about the same as the new street triple? Wasn't that around the 125 mark?

But you're comparing supersports bikes to road going nakeds. They're not the same.

Besides which, with the current rider aids I would argue that 125bhp on a bike is more useable than 150bhp on an older sportsbike.

My point is that these are naked road bikes. You're not going to be spending much time at the upper end of the rev range so useable power is far more important than top end BHP on a dyno. If you ride a naked you're struggling to hold on after a certain speed anyway.

I'm sure Triumph have done their research and know that these bikes will be a big seller.

[C00kiemonster]

I'd take torque over power on the road anyday of the week.

[kiwikrasher]

I'd take torque over power on the road anyday of the week.

I'm loving the V twin compared to the 4 inline. That said it has power and torque over the D6 as you would expect being twice the size!

[DaytonAndy]

Triumph must know triples fairly well by now so I'd expect this engine to be a belter. Having said that, like all manufacturers, they've also probably left plenty of scope for improvements over the years. I'm still crossing my fingers that that dash will be a direct replacement on my Daytona

[rocket]

Power figures are only a guide and not only that often way out from what they actually make on the same dyno on the same day. Its how it rides on the road/track at the end of the day.

It looks tiny ...

Can not believe how well spoken Garry Johnson is. He needs to start reviewing bikes i hope that was his first take :-P

[Kwacky]

I'm still crossing my fingers that that dash will be a direct replacement on my Daytona

Wouldn't you have to change the ECU and some of the wiring and sensors as well to get the use of the dash features?

[DaytonAndy]

I'm still crossing my fingers that that dash will be a direct replacement on my Daytona

Wouldn't you have to change the ECU and some of the wiring and sensors as well to get the use of the dash features?

There's new switch gear to control the dash but after that I don't know. I don't know all the features of the new dash but I'd assume the basics are the same like revs, speed, temperatures etc. I don't know if the ecu has anything to do with the dash or if it just reads everything directly off sensors? As you know I've owned the last two generations of Daytona and the vast majority of connectors and the like have stayed the same as it's obviously cheaper for them that way. That dash will also presumably appear on a few Triumphs from now on so maybe it has been designed to work? Having said that, maybe new engine new system. Either way I can't see it being cheap though!

[Kwacky]

I'm clueless when it comes to bike electrics so I've no idea either.

Yep, like you I suspect that the new dash will start appearing on a few new models and updates.

[D6]

I thought that the 675r Daytona produced about the same as the new street triple? Wasn't that around the 125 mark?
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128PS/ 126BHP

So it can easily be done. But as Kwacky says, nakeds want large torque lower down the range than high power at the redline.

The street is never about chasing the headlines with BHP figures. It never was.

My Speed triple is about 135BHP. With less weight, the street is going to feel more powerful and nimbler.

That Dash is stunning. I very much doubt you can just swap it over, especially as it will have new housing and mountings. Not to mention the electrickery that wont let it work with an older ECU.

[DaytonAndy]