In, out or shake it all about?

[D41]

There's been a steady decline for some time. You can tell by spotting the little things, people are caring less about their appearance, you don't see people sweeping outside their houses, poor diets, loads of litter and fly tipping. We seem to have lost some pride in ourselves. I have no idea how we get that back.

Because it's someone else's job to do that sh*t, Kwacky....don't you know nowt???

But isn't it??....I mean...that's always the fallback excuse. Totally endemic of the modern generation of slovenly graceless slackers who expect things as a God-given right, rather than as an earned privilege. 10 year-olds with cellphones, total lack of respect towards parents as homelife as we know it devolves into a state of people texting one another from the kitchen to the living room.
Fridges with a fricking TV on them to show whats inside....WTF is that all about???

It's a "see it, gotta have it" mentality imbued into the modern generation by a continual bombardment of ads. that encourage nothing but "keeping up with the Jones'"....The Jones couldn't give a feck, they're too busy on FaceBlurb updating their status to "getting even fatter than yesterday".

R'tards.

[StMarks]

Contribution to Foreign Aid : £11.3bn

Contribution to the EU: £8.5bn (net, or £13bn gross)




I'll just leave that there

I'll see you & raise..:

Uk debt currently runs at around £1.56 trillion, & the cost of just covering the interest is around £43bn annually. Or put another way; we are stoney-broke & so that's not actually our money that we're "contributing" .?

[Perkles]

Who do we actually borrow this money from

[D41]

They borrow it from themselves....I think based upon 'expected growth' or sommit.

Or maybe the IMF?? Which does nothing but sit around and laugh.

[Monty]

If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• The guy who was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.

[Perkles]

Lol cheggars he gets my vote any day

[Blade]

You missed Blade of the list

[Blade]

Interesting to see the World Wrestling Federation (WWF) are keen for us to stay in the EU

[Kwacky]

Who do we actually borrow this money from

Imf as mentioned, and rich countries. Saudi loaned us a lot, which is why we never criticise them

[kiwikrasher]

• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of New Zealand

They only care so it's easier for Kiwis and Aussies to go backpacking

And honestly I wouldn't hold any faith in what either of those idiot pricks thinks!

[Blade]

Contribution to Foreign Aid : £11.3bn

Contribution to the EU: £8.5bn (net, or £13bn gross)




I'll just leave that there

I'll see you & raise..:

Uk debt currently runs at around £1.56 trillion, & the cost of just covering the interest is around £43bn annually. Or put another way; we are stoney-broke & so that's not actually our money that we're "contributing" .?

On that basis I'm going to start asking tramps to lend me 20 quid. It's embarrassingly not much different by the sound of things

[D41]

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.

Agree.

I still think the UK has it pretty good as far as the EU goes....I'm basing that primarily on the fact that the UK kept the GBP, by far the strongest currency in the world. The British Govt....despite all rumours to the contrary, operates in a pretty solid manner and has a very strong basis upon which it is founded. It also promulgates on a fairly decent basis these days....much more so than it has done in the past - you can blame the internet for that one.

I vote to stay!!

/Goes off to ponder why I somehow agree with Monty on a political topic.....

[Monty]

HA! Go take a shower or somefing!

[StMarks]

....Goes off to ponder why I somehow agree with Monty on a political topic.....

That in itself makes me wonder about the integrity of Monty's standpoint.

[Blade]

I'm genuinely undecided.

However something of concern is according to respectable news agencies alot of other major EU nations are now finding a large public opinion towards a IN / OUT referendum in their own countries with a high percentage of people being on the OUT side.

That begs the question if we reman will it be the same EU we now know ? or has the UK EU referendum kicked off a much bigger Europe wide question alot of other major European nations are going to have to face about whether to remain in the EU ?

And apparently if we vote to stay some act of law passes saying we won't get another referendum so it's a once in a lifetime vote.

So COULD the scenario exsist we vote to stay in the EU. Other major EU members have their own referendum in the near future and leave the EU, therefore dramatically changing the benefit of being in the EU and we are unable to vote out as we have committed to permanent membership ?

Just for clarity the above are all questions and I'm undecided. Obviously some of the above is hypothetical but potentially could be a likely outcome as far as I can make out.

[Kwacky]

No, the EU will be reformed, Already the Dutch are talking about leaving.

It does need reforming. Hopefully this will be the catalyst.

[Kwacky]

Oh, and Article 50 allows us to leave when we want. That won't change,

[Blade]

Cheers Kwacky. Good info thanks for informing me

[Kwacky]

Cheers Kwacky. Good info thanks for informing me

Funnily enough there's an article in today's Dutch version of The Sun inviting the UK to Brexit.

Change is afoot.

[Monty]

Interesting balanced argument here

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/10479582 ... _hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;