In, out or shake it all about?

[Rossgo]

The make up of the current MPs and the way they will vote in the EU election is apparently this.

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If the country votes to leave but the MPs vote to stay by 2 to 1, how can we have a stable Parliament? Would we have to have a general election?

Civil war time!! Haha

[Kwacky]

A bloke on facebook has fallen for the annual April Fool joke about the EU forcing all riders to wear hi-viz.

Even though I've pointed out it's a joke, he's adamant that "this is the sort of shit Europe makes us do"

You know the popular press is herding sheep when you see shit like that.

[Perkles]

I blame all those bloody immigrants

[Monty]

[duke63]

Its astonished me there rubbish people will believe about Europe just because Farage/The Sun et al said that was the case.

I'm still waiting for any one politician who wants to leave to tell me what changes he will be ABLE to make if we leave the EU. They are all quick to say when they think the In groups are scaremongering with their info but still don't say what and how they will change anything.

[D41]

Surely certain changes would be automatic and some would be wrought over a period of time...and therefore hard to quantify in advance?? From an outsider perspective I think the UK got a pretty good deal by joining the EU...there's going to be a downside, but the positives outweigh the negatives.
Jingoism and 'Splendid Isolation' were great in their day, but that day has passed.

[Kwacky]

Our farmers made a mint from the EU at first, now it's the supermarkets who are killing then.

[markrsvr15]

Out

[markrsvr15]

Should get rid of the euro Al together it was fine as it was before

[Kwacky]

We were pretty much bankrupt before we joined the EU. We still owed loads of money WW2 at the time.

[markrsvr15]

Still are aren't we? Worse off we owe loads to these twats needed to get bailed out labour killed us am a bricky stopped building all together nearly lost everything tories are great for me sent building prices though the roof again great for me

[D41]

We were pretty much bankrupt before we joined the EU. We still owed loads of money WW2 at the time.

Hmmm....care to elaborate on that?? Not doubting it for a second...but it seems like there was a gradual process....first the Common Market...then a progressive shift toward the EU...which to my mind is nothing more than a 'United States of America'...or even worse, a 'United States of Mexico'!!!! It's the WWII part that interests me....didn't Germany owe us all that money???


PS....if the UK leaves, will you still be sharing that aircraft carrier with the French??

[Deegee]

Fwiw my job would be in serious danger if we came out of the EU, our customer base would stop buying altogether while things settled down, I suspect China and America would target the UK markets and we'd have a low cost free for all while the market resettled with new leading players.
That said its not as bad as if we'd had the Euro, we still currently have to buy colossal amounts of Euros to protect our prices for the years forecast trade, so customers don't get nailed when the Exchange Rate goes nuts, that will still remain the same, although the Pound might go up or down and mess up our plans.

From a "Do we get our money's worth out of the EU?" Actually I think we do. Despite the rhetoric, we pay less per person than Belgium in real terms - and France is the biggest contributor to our Rebate which is 66% of our previous years EU payment. In real terms we contribute approx 33% of what we should according to our economy. If I belonged to a club and got two thirds of my subs back the next year (but no one else did) I'd be pretty pleased!

So in short, in or out? Definitely in for me.

[duke63]

I suspect a lot of jobs will be in jeopardy if we leave.

The pound is already falling fast, that will only get worse if we leave.

[D41]

Yeah, but it's fecking great for me if I come visit!!

And it also makes it more likely!!!

[StMarks]

Yeah, but it's fecking great for me if I come visit!!

And it also makes it more likely!!!

At last, a really good reason to sway my vote.
I'm now for IN.... (will that be enough to guarantee you'll maintain the safe water barrier Daz)

[D41]

Resistance is futile!!!

Passport should be coming any time now, come to think of it.....I became a turncoat and went for a US one this time...they are SOOO much cheaper, and the 2.5 people who staff the epically misnomered "British Consulate" in LA are only there about 2 days of the week...for two hours....when it's lunchtime!!

[Monty]

Lord Voldemort joins the in camp. Possibly the last person you'd expect to after what the EU did to him, but I totally agree with his thinking.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIjfyGIO4xA[/video]

[D41]

Yep, that's what I'd do.....look to a Greek economist for financial advice.


I dunno.....I'm the poorest I've been in years from a purely monetary perspective, although I do OK.....but I'm also fairly happy....life's not perfect, but nothing ever is.

[Kwacky]

I see the US President has upset a few people with his remarks.

I've no doubt that he was asked to say something.

Imports

The United Kingdom mainly imports machinery and transport equipment (35 percent); manufactured products (26 percent); mineral fuels, lubricants and related materials (13.5 percent) and chemical products (11 percent).

U.K. main import partners are: Germany (13 percent), China (8 percent), United States (8 percent), Netherlands (7 percent) and France (5.5 percent).

Exports

The United Kingdom mainly exports machinery and transport equipment (40 percent); manufactured products (23.5 percent); chemical products (15 percent) and mineral fuels, lubricants and related materials (10 percent).

Main export partners are: the United States (14 percent), Germany (10 percent), France (7 percent), the Netherlands (6 percent) and Ireland (4.5 percent).

Given our reliance on the US, you can see why we're twitchy about upsetting the business status quo. but how on earth can they say leaving the EU will cause trade issues?