This is the sort of politics we need

[D41]

I didn't write starving, I wrote about hunger & malnourishment.
The UN estimates@ 9.1 million people die of starvation every year. No-one's suggesting it's not worth worrying about, but the figures being bandied about are wildly off-kilter by a large order of magnitude. That's not the way to address the problem, not by any stretch.

[C00kiemonster]

Interesting interview with Gorbachev.

I wonder how long before someone with this view gets elected to lead a big Country which can change things?

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totally this.... I've always been amazed from as soon as I could fathom it, that the world economy is built on growth, even as a youngster I could see that wasn't sustainable. It's a pyramid scheme on a grand scale and like a pyramid scheme it favours the few at the top to the expense of those further down.
I'm as guilty as the next person of consumerism, but as I get older my dream is to be self sufficient for all my needs and living far more simply.

Exactly this.

[StMarks]

I'm not going to disagree too much, as I may have mentioned something similar myself, occasionally.?

...The way I read it, we're getting better at handling a growing population, not worse.

Isn't that rather like; We are getting better at coping with a disaster, rather than looking at reducing/preventing it ?

The planet & ecosystem can cope with this human infestation, just as long as we address the population levels. That is what we need to address as a priority, anything else is window dressing.

[Blade]

I've done my bit

The M4 is now a 3 litre twin turbo instead of a 4 litre V8 naturally aspirated.

It's also faster and a lower tax bracket win win, save the planet and do it quickly with a big smile all across your boat race

[Cav]

But haven't you gone from a 6 cylinder n/a to a 6 cylinder turbo? So you haven't done anything other than add components?

[Blade]

But haven't you gone from a 6 cylinder n/a to a 6 cylinder turbo? So you haven't done anything other than add components?

Lower emissions and tax band

Even sounds cleaner

[video]https://youtu.be/epOzHiAmRek[/video]

[Cav]

You Hooligan!

I have to be honest, I don't like the sound of them :/ Don't know why, it just doesn't resonate with me

I'd quite like to have a Golf R estate or S4 Avant personally

[Blade]

Does it sound a bit chav wagon

[Blade]

The chavs are well heeled in these parts

[duke63]

Bristol council just announced they are to ban all diesel cars from the City centre by 2021.

Change is coming.

[D41]

...The way I read it, we're getting better at handling a growing population, not worse.

Isn't that rather like; We are getting better at coping with a disaster, rather than looking at reducing/preventing it ?

The planet & ecosystem can cope with this human infestation, just as long as we address the population levels. That is what we need to address as a priority, anything else is window dressing.

Well then, what do you suggest? The UK's population is growing at a faster rate than that of China at the moment (so is the U.S.'s - among many others). I honestly don't know how we're suddenly a "disaster" or "infestation"...??

[Cav]

Bristol council just announced they are to ban all diesel cars from the City centre by 2021.

Change is coming.

No plan to change to electric buses though, not even a mention - bloody hypocrites. The amount of smoke coming from those is disgusting and having cycled through cities before I find myself holding my breath past them.

[Cav]

I honestly don't know how we're suddenly a "disaster" or "infestation"...??

There's no "suddenly" about it.. I noticed this when I was 13 and for a long time thought I wouldn't have children to do my bit to save the planet.

[D41]

Do you still think you not having children will "save the planet"???




*That's not a trick question, BTW.

[Kwacky]

Not having children is probably the best thing to do.

[Cav]

I think it probably is right but I will still probably do it anyway because I want a family.

If everyone stuck to 2 kids or less the problems would begin to revert

[C00kiemonster]

Not having children is probably the best thing to do.

and planting lots of trees. Problem solved.

On a serious point - population control is and should be required.

[Cav]

I'm all for the reversal of deforestation !!

[kiwikrasher]

I'm all for the reversal of deforestation !!

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/conten ... ion-trees/