The next prime minister

[duke63]

[Kwacky]

Rees Mogg has confirmed that the issue of a general election will come back to the House on Monday. They're hoping that the No Deal Bill will have passed by then, removing the reason used by Labour to block the request for a GE.

[Kwacky]

The parliamentary authority for the civil service to run NI (in absence of Stormont executive) runs out mid October.

By all accounts the NI minister was not told about the plan to prorogue parliament.

Johnson doesn't know what he's doing. If he does he's playing a very dangerous game.

[Cav]

If a GE is called (wrong thing IMO as people need to just sort this sh!t out) then what happens?

Tory retained as PM:
He does what he wants?
Can't do anything?

Labour win outright:
Thing start to go through?
2nd referendum?
Everything gets blocked and we go in circles again?

Labour win as coalition?
Things start to go through?
2nd referendum?
Conflict within coalition means nothing gets done?
Everything gets blocked and we go in circles again?

[duke63]

A few are reporting that Johnson will resign before he has to ask the EU for an extension again. Bye bye Boris.

[Kwacky]

If Johnson resigns before a general election I reckon there will be a lot of swing over towards the Brexit party. I doubt that many who voted to Leave will have changed their minds. The constant delays have pissed people off, which is why so many want to leave on a No Deal basis - they think it means we leave the EU and things carry on as normal.

Would Labour and the Lib-Dems form a coalition? I doubt it. Corbyn has said no and a lot of the Corbyn support sees the Liberals as Tory-Lite.

The Remain vote is split. Johnson and Farage know this. That's why they're pushing for another election.

[Monty]

Providing Benn's no-deal bill is in Law by Monday Labour will vote for the GE on Monday.

If MPs don't pass Monday's GE bill, there won't be enough Parliamentary time to pass another one before the 31st October. So Boris (Cummings) will either have to un prorogued parliament or extend article 50.

[Kwacky]

That's a bit dangerous though as Johnson can ignore the No Deal Bill once he's called a general election.

[Monty]

Not once it's in Law and Parliament is shut

[Kwacky]

But how do you enforce the PM to go to the EU?

You can't.

He added that Johnson would refuse to abide by the Benn bill, which would mandate him to seek an extension to Brexit until at least 31 January if, by the end of next month’s crucial European council summit, he has not secured a deal or gained MPs’ consent for no deal.

“The PM will not do this,” he said. “It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on 31 October.”

[StMarks]

Following on from his cull of "disloyal" tory members, I hear tht Boris is comparing himself to Gaius Octavius (aka Augustus)

Gaius Octavius who removed his political enemies, to create a stable government. (sounds about right)

Gaius Octavius who's Emperorship iirc initially presided over the most devastating destructive of roman civil wars. hmmmmm.???

[Monty]

Chris who?

[D41]

Hey look.....Prince Barin has joined in the protest.

/how the mighty have fallen...

[Kwacky]

The SNP have said that they won't support a call for an early general election. Labour look set to do the same.

The Court has said that Proroguing Parliament for the period proposed is not illegal, so the Commons will be shutting down as proposed by Johnson.

The Northern Ireland Executive Act expires on 14th Oct so parliament has to be back by then.

[duke63]

I’ve dug a ditch.

I hope it’s big enough.

[duke63]

Amber Rudd quits saying she cannot watch moderate Tories be treated so badly.

The Tory party is imploding.

[StMarks]

..The Tory party is imploding.

Don't you think it seems increasingly likely that (at the upcoming election) we can expect some sort of amalgamation between the remaining right wing of the Tory party, with the Brexit party.?
That could well see a substantial share of the vote.
If the remain parties split the vote, and enough of labour remain blindly faithful to their traditional choice, that could look like a winning alliance.?

[bb41]

Looks like JC has lost the support of his brother too

[duke63]

..The Tory party is imploding.

Don't you think it seems increasingly likely that (at the upcoming election) we can expect some sort of amalgamation between the remaining right wing of the Tory party, with the Brexit party.?
That could well see a substantial share of the vote.
If the remain parties split the vote, and enough of labour remain blindly faithful to their traditional choice, that could look like a winning alliance.?

They are chasing the same voters so one of them will lose out. A Tory/Brexit Party is not likely to appeal to many floating voters, in my opinion.

[StMarks]

Looks like JC has lost the support of his brother too

Whilst I guess it does add some balance to the discussion,,,,
However, to put the comparison into context.:

Piers Corbyn is not a member of parliament from the same party as his brother.
Rather he is a Climate change denial activist who is in favour of a No-deal brexit.