The next prime minister

[Monty]

Try living on less than £10 per hour. It wouldn’t pay the rent and council tax on a 2 bed flat in the south east.

I live in very rural South Oxfordshire and very aware of house prices and rent being an ex LL of both private and industrial

My youngest works in the public sector , her job and how important it is and how many years she has had to train to get there she has still managed to buy a house ..her partner works at BMW .. they can't afford children and now in their 30's . They acknowledge children won't be happening .

people should take a little more responsibility rather than decide to do something and expect a tax payer to cover the costs because "it is their right"

If I was still an employer faced with a school leaver and a 25 year old, I still have to pay both 10.00 PH , I would choose the 25 year old., and most employers would .. it's non sensical

I agree the tory party leadership battle is ridiculous but most intelligent people see through all the guff ..unfortunately with Corbyn intelligence isn't high on the agenda , his electorate see it in how much they will get in the benefit every week , then whinge because they cannot afford 6 kids in a 2 bed property and want bigger houses

Utter bollocks .. I think we should agree to disagree..a decent labour opposition would benefit the whole country, this shower benefits no one apart from JC and his comrades

Your kids are in full-time high-quality employment and can't afford to have kids and you think it's somehow the fault of some sort of underclass robbing the state.

Give your **** head a shake!

[D41]

Try living on less than £10 per hour.

How do you know? When was the last time you tried it?
My point is, that sort of money/wage is typically for people just starting out ....it's not something they're stuck with for a lifetime (I hope!) It's a foothold in the workplace.

[bb41]

Try living on less than £10 per hour. It wouldn’t pay the rent and council tax on a 2 bed flat in the south east.

I live in very rural South Oxfordshire and very aware of house prices and rent being an ex LL of both private and industrial

My youngest works in the public sector , her job and how important it is and how many years she has had to train to get there she has still managed to buy a house ..her partner works at BMW .. they can't afford children and now in their 30's . They acknowledge children won't be happening .

people should take a little more responsibility rather than decide to do something and expect a tax payer to cover the costs because "it is their right"

If I was still an employer faced with a school leaver and a 25 year old, I still have to pay both 10.00 PH , I would choose the 25 year old., and most employers would .. it's non sensical

I agree the tory party leadership battle is ridiculous but most intelligent people see through all the guff ..unfortunately with Corbyn intelligence isn't high on the agenda , his electorate see it in how much they will get in the benefit every week , then whinge because they cannot afford 6 kids in a 2 bed property and want bigger houses

Utter bollocks .. I think we should agree to disagree..a decent labour opposition would benefit the whole country, this shower benefits no one apart from JC and his comrades

Your kids are in full-time high-quality employment and can't afford to have kids and you think it's somehow the fault of some sort of underclass robbing the state.

Give your **** head a shake!

Not at all, I didn't say it was anyones fault it's called taking responsibility . I just feel some seem to think it's their human right to procreate and expect me and others to pay for them ..if more people took responsibility over their own situations rather than blame everyone else, political party etc except themselves then perhaps we would be in a better place...

..and Monty you do nothing to persuade me otherwise than to think someone who kneels at Corbyns feet to be none other than one of those who want to share the financial love... Trust me I was back working within hours of giving birth and I aint sharing any of my hard work with some gobshite who can't be arsed to get out their pit in the morning.

Too much "woe is me" and not enough " lets get out there and do this" even if we get kicked down sometimes

I was on a property forum today (property is probably the only thing I know anything about) and some guy was asking if he could sue the Housing association as he's been evicted and they's got rid of his belongings after 28 days plus another 28 days

Now to evict someone as a HA you know you pretty much need a section 8 ( arrears or illicit activity over a period of time ) it takes months and months plus court hearings plus costs , plus bailiffs to remove.

This guy, after not paying his rent and after a court has tried everything to work with him and stored his belongings for an extra month on top of the 28 days he now wants to sue because he hadn't been informed of the new date when his belongings were being destroyed ..oh and he changed his email address ..

Guess what... he can't work because of a back injury.. This is what boils my urine and why I'd never vote for a Corbyn led party.

It may not affect me directly anymore but to vote for JC et al would destroy entrepreneurs and without them employment will decline , we need those who take risks.. and sure when they hit it big they reap rewards and good for them... go after Amazon and Google but that won't happen it never does

Just one other point my eldest is a single Mum, again in F/T employment as a cleaning manager ... it's how much you want it that counts

and no desist in the insults , it's my point of view and it's as good as yours... served me well for many decades

[StMarks]

I live in very rural South Oxfordshire and very aware of house prices and rent being an ex LL of both private and industrial

My youngest works in the public sector , her job and how important it is and how many years she has had to train to get there she has still managed to buy a house ..her partner works at BMW .. they can't afford children and now in their 30's . They acknowledge children won't be happening .

people should take a little more responsibility rather than decide to do something and expect a tax payer to cover the costs because "it is their right"

If I was still an employer faced with a school leaver and a 25 year old, I still have to pay both 10.00 PH , I would choose the 25 year old., and most employers would .. it's non sensical

I agree the tory party leadership battle is ridiculous but most intelligent people see through all the guff ..unfortunately with Corbyn intelligence isn't high on the agenda , his electorate see it in how much they will get in the benefit every week , then whinge because they cannot afford 6 kids in a 2 bed property and want bigger houses

Utter bollocks .. I think we should agree to disagree..a decent labour opposition would benefit the whole country, this shower benefits no one apart from JC and his comrades

Your kids are in full-time high-quality employment and can't afford to have kids and you think it's somehow the fault of some sort of underclass robbing the state.

Give your **** head a shake!

Really.?
The cost of raising a child from birth to 18yo is currently estimated at around £75k.
Therefore wouldn't the socially responsible & forward thinking couples only consider children if they had those funds available* as well as enough free time to provide the parenting.??
* i.e. not both working 24/7 to cover the cost, whilst not being available to parent properly. Nor expecting "welfare" to subsidise their financial shortfall if their income/savings wouldn't stretch to the £75k
Given that most (all imo) of the problems we are beset with today stem from human over population, the morality would seem further weighted.???

[Kwacky]

I'm lost, how did Corbyn and that bloke's back tie in?

People will always take the piss, no matter what is happening. Look how many people made their fortune doing both great wars. People talk about the Blitz Spirit but crime shot up massively during the second world war.

There are people who scrounge from the state, but no one bats an eyelid at Richard Branson refusing to pay taxes and suing the NHS for millions because he didn't win a contact.

In my opinion you can't accuse one group of people of freeloading and allow another to do so on a massive scale because they're rich.

No prime minster would stifle small business, it's the backbone of this country.

I'm no Corbyn fan but I've seen nothing to suggest he wants to end free business in the UK. The manifesto states :

We will protect small businesses by reintroducing the lower small profits rate of corporation tax. We will also exclude small businesses from costly plans to introduce quarterly reporting and take action on late payments.

[Kwacky]

Anyway, back on topic, Mark Harper proved tonight why he's not fit for the job. No answers and he reckons No Deal will be slightly difficult for businesses, but if it is it's Europe's fault.

[Monty]

Yeah, if you work really hard you can be anything. That was true 40 years ago, but try telling that to the 14 million working poor currently relying on the food banks.

Do some research, look at what we spend on the unemployed and benefit scroungers. It's a nats dodar compared to pensions for the elderly.

[Monty]

I'm lost, how did Corbyn and that bloke's back tie in?

It's a mystery but suspect the Daily Mails involvement. I'm just surprised we've not had a mention of the IRA!

[bb41]

Yeah, if you work really hard you can be anything. That was true 40 years ago, but try telling that to the 14 million working poor currently relying on the food banks.

Do some research, look at what we spend on the unemployed and benefit scroungers. It's a nats dodar compared to pensions for the elderly.

and that my friend is why I would never vote for the current labour movement .. food banks ?? we have very few in this part of the world .. and if your outgoings are more than your incomings then you have over stretched ..

I see the food banks on Tv and in certain papers and there are children in the equation and young children .. IMO that person should not have decided to have anymore if they can't afford to keep them on the salary income they have... why should I pay and others because they can't make an informed decision of adding to the population

It's not a god given right .. there are exceptions but no system will work for everyone... are you actually stating Corbyn will eradicate poverty in it's entirety ? absolute twaddle ..and with that it's up the stairs ..feeding starts early and after a fox attack that came out of nowhere Sunday lunchtime I have to get up and do a check through the night

We could argue until eternity but I believe in one system and others believe in another , none of it will work for all but I feel that working is the only way and if you want/need more then you work a bit more to get to where you need /want to be . For me the current Labour won't help those who really want to just help those who can't be arsed .. but we all have an opinion and I appreciate yours ..TTFN

[Monty]

Yeah, if you work really hard you can be anything. That was true 40 years ago, but try telling that to the 14 million working poor currently relying on the food banks.

Do some research, look at what we spend on the unemployed and benefit scroungers. It's a nats dodar compared to pensions for the elderly.

and that my friend is why I would never vote for the current labour movement .. food banks ?? we have very few in this part of the world .. and if your outgoings are more than your incomings then you have over stretched ..

I see the food banks on Tv and in certain papers and there are children in the equation and young children .. IMO that person should not have decided to have anymore if they can't afford to keep them on the salary income they have... why should I pay and others because they can't make an informed decision of adding to the population

It's not a god given right .. there are exceptions but no system will work for everyone... are you actually stating Corbyn will eradicate poverty in it's entirety ? absolute twaddle ..and with that it's up the stairs ..feeding starts early and after a fox attack that came out of nowhere Sunday lunchtime I have to get up and do a check through the night

We could argue until eternity but I believe in one system and others believe in another , none of it will work for all but I feel that working is the only way and if you want/need more then you work a bit more to get to where you need /want to be . For me the current Labour won't help those who really want to just help those who can't be arsed .. but we all have an opinion and I appreciate yours ..TTFN

Well there you go, not much to add to that other than well there it is and why do you keep mentioning Corbyn?

[Kwacky]

It's probably best if we stick to the Conservative leader hopefuls. Unless Comrade Corbyn has thrown his name in the hat.

[Monty]

It's probably best if we stick to the Conservative leader hopefuls. Unless Comrade Corbyn has thrown his name in the hat.

Anything is possible

[D41]

Damn right, Monty - You go, girl!!

[Kwacky]

He's probably a Mossad agent.

[Monty]

Try living on less than £10 per hour.

How do you know? When was the last time you tried it?
My point is, that sort of money/wage is typically for people just starting out ....it's not something they're stuck with for a lifetime (I hope!) It's a foothold in the workplace.

1989, doing my apprenticeship as a draughtsman aged 17, I was on £5 an hour. That's more or less £10 an hour allowing for inflation.

[Monty]

He's probably a Mossad agent.

Sssh, don't tell the Palestinians

[Blade]

Try living on less than £10 per hour.

How do you know? When was the last time you tried it?
My point is, that sort of money/wage is typically for people just starting out ....it's not something they're stuck with for a lifetime (I hope!) It's a foothold in the workplace.

1989, doing my apprenticeship as a draughtsman aged 17, I was on £5 an hour. That's more or less £10 an hour allowing for inflation.

You fat cat socialist

I did a similar apprenticeship. £35 for a 37.5 hour week. 93 pence an hour

Is not where you start, it's where you end up and hard work can pay

[Cav]

My apprenticeship started on £10k and I was able to purchase my ZX6R on that money. Mind you, I was living at home rent free

[Monty]

You fat cat socialist

I did a similar apprenticeship. £35 for a 37.5 hour week. 93 pence an hour

Is not where you start, it's where you end up and hard work can pay

That was definitely true for ours and the previous generation and it's still true today but for a much smaller section of society.

We're now in an age of massive inequality. The Torys will tell you that we have the lowest unemployment in history, and that might be true but the reality is if you work for more than one hour per week you are classed employed.

I don't want millions of people struggling to eat, I want millions of people paying TAX, spending money and contributing to their communities.

I'm not anti-money far from it, don't conflate socialism with communism. Two very different things, comrade

[Blade]

Bit of banter Monty nothing more