The next prime minister

[Monty]

We're a market of 65 odd million people and the 5/6 richest nation in the world. If anyone believes big business is going to leg it if we make them pay the TAX that's actually due they need to give their head a shake.

What utterly pisses me off is I pay TAX, a lot of TAX to pay for things like the NHS and the welfare state. The vast majority of that goes to things like pensions which is fine, but the next biggest chunk goes to working families in benefits. Working families, people just like me! I'm actually funding the companies that pay low wages directly through my taxes and they aren't paying any **** TAX!

Yes, there are people that will scrounge of the state for the rest of their lives, but they are a very small minority and an extremely small burden to the state comparatively.

I don't want a welfare system that's set up to deter scroungers, I want one that's set up for everyone when things go wrong. Most of us are only 3 paychecks short of bankruptcy if life suddenly goes wrong, I know I certainly am.

[Kwacky]

Benefit scroungers were peddled by the press during the 80s and 90s.

Sadly we've got areas where you have 2 or 3 generations of families were no one has ever worked. That cycle needs to be stopped. Cutting schooling, youth programmes, colleges and employment centres isn't the answer.

Universal Credit is most certainly not the solution.

[Monty]

I would be surprised if even Monty would rally to Ms Abbott's defence. She appears to be a prominent embarrassment with no obvious redeeming feature imo. However perhaps characters like that appeal to voters with a very different mindset to us ? - remember her "predecessor " in the role as Labour's Fool was John Prescott, who was Deputy Leader from 94 -2007.!

I think I'm on record as not being much of a fan. But what I will say is, she's a brilliant constituency MP with one of the largest majorities in parliament. She's the first black woman MP in the UK and suffers from some of the most brutal abuse from bigots all over the country. No one could withstand that and not be affected. We should be ashamed as a nation that we allow it.

[duke63]

Politics in this Country needs a massive shake up.

Nothing is perfect but the Scandinavian countries seem to get a lot more right than we do. They pay high taxes but they can see where the money is spent.

Norway has a sovereign fund for its oil revenue, set up to benefit the Nation as s whole not just a few.

We pissed our oil revenue up the wall a long time ago.

[Monty]

Norway has a sovereign fund for its oil revenue, set up to benefit the Nation as a whole, not just a few.

Yes, the Danes call it Democratic Socialism.

[D41]

And he's off!.......

[Monty]

And he's off!.......

They're coming to get you too

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[D41]

Norway??
NORWAY????
The land of A-Ha, fjords, & questionable DIY furniture??

[Monty]

I know you didn't read it

[D41]

Yes I did.

[Cav]

Are you sure the famous furniture brand is from Norway.....?

Maybe you should google that

[D41]

I'm not sure that anything is from Norway. It's a sh!t-dead country.

[Blade]

I'm not sure that anything is from Norway. It's a sh!t-dead country.

Blonde porn stars are a fine Norwegian export

[Monty]

It's not, but anyway in other news Michael Gove vows to axe VAT on small mirrors, glass coffee tables and razor blades

[StMarks]

It's not, but anyway in other news Michael Gove vows to axe VAT on small mirrors, glass coffee tables and razor blades

IMO the greatest inditement of the state of the Tory party, is not from their critics. It's the eagerness shown by the candidates to offer transparent & shallow bribes to the membership as incentive to secure their votes.
It beggars belief.

[Monty]

It's not, but anyway in other news Michael Gove vows to axe VAT on small mirrors, glass coffee tables and razor blades

IMO the greatest inditement of the state of the Tory party, is not from their critics. It's the eagerness shown by the candidates to offer transparent & shallow bribes to the membership as incentive to secure their votes.
It beggars belief.

It does, but then have you seen the demographic of their voting membership. An utterly toxic bunch.

[bb41]

It's not, but anyway in other news Michael Gove vows to axe VAT on small mirrors, glass coffee tables and razor blades

IMO the greatest inditement of the state of the Tory party, is not from their critics. It's the eagerness shown by the candidates to offer transparent & shallow bribes to the membership as incentive to secure their votes.
It beggars belief.

I agree it's a bit tiresome , but would another party do it differently ??

I think we know every candidates view on Brexit so now we have to go beyond that... no different in a GE where everyone sets their stall

With labour they were offering 10.00 for every school leaver rendering them out of employment .. it's not a lot different.. MP's are all the same it's just how we perceive the end result and how we want that to be

[Monty]

Try living on less than £10 per hour. It wouldn’t pay the rent and council tax on a 2 bed flat in the south east.

[StMarks]

We're a market of 65 odd million people and the 5/6 richest nation in the world. If anyone believes big business is going to leg it if we make them pay the TAX that's actually due they need to give their head a shake.

What utterly pisses me off is I pay TAX, a lot of TAX to pay for things like the NHS and the welfare state. The vast majority of that goes to things like pensions which is fine, but the next biggest chunk goes to working families in benefits. Working families, people just like me! I'm actually funding the companies that pay low wages directly through my taxes and they aren't paying any **** TAX!
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I don't want a welfare system that's set up to deter scroungers, I want one that's set up for everyone when things go wrong. Most of us are only 3 paychecks short of bankruptcy if life suddenly goes wrong, I know I certainly am.

Well said Monty, agree wholeheartedly with that ^

However...

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,,,, there are people that will scrounge of the state for the rest of their lives, but they are a very small minority and an extremely small burden to the state comparatively...

I only wish I could agree with you there mate.
Perhaps it's simply an indicator of the environments that I frequent, or the sub-cultures that I tend to engage with, but (my personal) experience shows me an exponentially increasing population of p*****e who have no inclination whatsoever to contribute in any meaningful way to our society, and live (imo) "obscenely comfortably lifestyles" funded one way or another by the rest of us.

I would like to be wrong Monty, & hope you are indeed better informed, rather than simply seeing things from a more positive (& morally preferable) perspective.?

[bb41]

Try living on less than £10 per hour. It wouldn’t pay the rent and council tax on a 2 bed flat in the south east.

I live in very rural South Oxfordshire and very aware of house prices and rent being an ex LL of both private and industrial

My youngest works in the public sector , her job and how important it is and how many years she has had to train to get there she has still managed to buy a house ..her partner works at BMW .. they can't afford children and now in their 30's . They acknowledge children won't be happening .

people should take a little more responsibility rather than decide to do something and expect a tax payer to cover the costs because "it is their right"

If I was still an employer faced with a school leaver and a 25 year old, I still have to pay both 10.00 PH , I would choose the 25 year old., and most employers would .. it's non sensical

I agree the tory party leadership battle is ridiculous but most intelligent people see through all the guff ..unfortunately with Corbyn intelligence isn't high on the agenda , his electorate see it in how much they will get in the benefit every week , then whinge because they cannot afford 6 kids in a 2 bed property and want bigger houses

Utter bollocks .. I think we should agree to disagree..a decent labour opposition would benefit the whole country, this shower benefits no one apart from JC and his comrades