Another abject failure of privatisation

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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 24 Sep 2018, 08:48

Costly & ineffective??

How much more costly would it be to NOT put criminals in prison??
And it's effective in that it takes away their ability to commit further crime for a given period.
And maybe that's all we can do.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby Kwacky » 24 Sep 2018, 08:49

It is expensive to house prisoners. It think it's somewhere in the region of £46,000 per year per prisoner.

Which is why it's such a big business in the States. Which is why the US has such heavy prison terms and such a massive prison population - all for money and profit.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 24 Sep 2018, 08:57

Well if the sentences are longer, the populations are bound to be higher, all things being equal.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby Kwacky » 24 Sep 2018, 09:12

And the companies make more money from it.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby duke63 » 24 Sep 2018, 09:16

Kwacky wrote:And the companies make more money from it.


Which the tax payer pays for.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 24 Sep 2018, 09:44

Kwacky wrote:And the companies make more money from it.


What's the alternative.....you have softer, "cheaper" sentences & let criminals back on the streets earlier so that they can get back to "work" and profit from it in their own uniquely illegal way??
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby Kwacky » 24 Sep 2018, 09:51

It works in the Nordic countries.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 24 Sep 2018, 12:19

Sweden? Yep.....I had a feeling you might brung that one up as an example.
Rehab. vs restraint.

Yeah....they're definitely doing something right. But TBH those wily Nords seem to do quite well at any kind of education. Swotty b'stards.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby Kwacky » 24 Sep 2018, 12:36

As well as Norway, Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands.

The Dutch only have 13,500 cells and they can't fill them, so they agreed a deal with Norway to hold some of their prisoners.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 24 Sep 2018, 12:46

Eugenics works!!
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby kiwikrasher » 25 Sep 2018, 00:21

There was a news story on here last night. 19 yr old guy wrongly on remand for a murder/manslaughter charge. He spent a year in prison. Never had been in any trouble before he went in. He said quite plainly he learnt enough about how to carry out crimes inside that he’s undergoing therapy to get himself out of that mindset. The main education in western prisons is how to be a better crim it seems.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 25 Sep 2018, 01:24

kiwikrasher wrote:The main education in western prisons is how to be a better crim it seems.


Only if you want it to be that way....or rather, if you allow it.
You're either listening to the people on your side of the bars, or those on the other side, the ones that get to go home each night.
And unfortunately nearly everyone will go with the first option.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby StMarks » 25 Sep 2018, 08:37

D41 wrote:
kiwikrasher wrote:The main education in western prisons is how to be a better crim it seems.


Only if you want it to be that way....or rather, if you allow it.
You're either listening to the people on your side of the bars, or those on the other side, the ones that get to go home each night.
And unfortunately nearly everyone will go with the first option.

Not only a breeding ground for criminal mindset, and a training ground for criminal techniques. It also now serves absolutely perfectly as a grooming ground for religious fundamentalists.
As a society, we need to find a better way to deter undesirable behaviour. Imho sorting this is far more of a priority than we think.? -All too easy to just "carry on as we always have, and everyone else does"/ ; Lock/sweep them away from public view & ignore the consequences.


:D Here's one. How about instead of electronic tags, how about similar equipment worn that blocks any electronic signals in a 2m proximity.: Enforced abstinence from their phones computers etc would certainly seem like a sentence to most under 30's.?

If only politicians could be voted for on their consequences, not concepts, problems would be addressed rather than lies spun.
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby D41 » 25 Sep 2018, 08:43

So you want them to wear a magnet??
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Re: Another abject failure of privatisation

Postby Kwacky » 10 Oct 2018, 14:40

Recruitment for the army was sold off to Capita.

They hit 10% of the last recruitment target they were given.
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