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Postby Fireball » 01 Apr 2018, 20:58

Its crazy to totally trust limit switches, proximity switches and sensors. What was the driving thinking or did he think he,s on a plane and can fall sleep till he gets home?
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby sir thomas blanchard » 01 Apr 2018, 21:33

poor pedestrian and aren't they talking about driverless cars here?
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Kwacky » 01 Apr 2018, 21:41

Woman steps out in the dark in front of a car. This happens all the time but doesn't make the news.

Driverless cars are safer. Get used to them, they're coming and they're going to stay.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Fireball » 01 Apr 2018, 22:19

Kwacky wrote:
Driverless cars are safer. Get used to them, they're coming and they're going to stay.


They are great only to assist but not to be totally trusted I don,t think. (smirk)
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Kwacky » 01 Apr 2018, 23:36

Drivers can't be trusted, but we're happy to let them kill and maim.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Fireball » 02 Apr 2018, 06:54

No I didn,t say that, of course not. Thats a different issue. I,m talking about giving total control to a car that only relies on sensors to work correctly.

A while ago I was driving a car which had lane control system and I let go of the steering wheel but it failed once or twice and it kept asking me to take control of it. It seems that these auto pilot systems are not for taking full control all the time and they,re only suitable for controlling the car if momentaliry driver falls sleep.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby StMarks » 02 Apr 2018, 09:02

Fireball wrote:....They are great only to assist but not to be totally trusted I don,t think. (smirk)

For now, but not forever. As Kwackers pointed out ; They will be coming
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Blade » 02 Apr 2018, 10:34

Not sure of my position on driverless cars but I get Kwackys point they are coming and something we will need to embrace.

Positives is driverless cars won't be using there mobile, intoxicated, tied, uninsured or suffering road rage.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Fireball » 02 Apr 2018, 10:57

They still have to be insured Blade but the rest are good positives for sure. (rock)
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Kwacky » 02 Apr 2018, 11:00

Fireball wrote:No I didn,t say that, of course not. Thats a different issue. I,m talking about giving total control to a car that only relies on sensors to work correctly.



Sensors that are on 100% of the time, that aren't distracted by good looking people, adverts, changing radios, lighting a cigarette. Sensors that haven't had a bad day at work, have forgotten to adjust their mirrors after their other half borrowed the car, senors that didn't have a row before leaving the house, that might still be drunk from the night before or didn't get enough sleep.

The tech is improving. You might have had a bad experience with a car in the early stages of development, but when you ride every day, you can count at least 50 cars each time I ride into work that lane drift or switch lanes without warning.

It wasn't that long ago when people were saying there's no place for computers in the workplace, they're slow, expensive, limited and a distraction.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby D41 » 02 Apr 2018, 11:02

We'll pay them the same amount of attention we give a bus driver or a train engineer, airline pilot, etc.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Kwacky » 02 Apr 2018, 11:03

Planes fly themselves and no one kicks off about that.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Blade » 02 Apr 2018, 11:10

Fireball wrote:They still have to be insured Blade but the rest are good positives for sure. (rock)


That's what I have said. They won't be uninsured.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Blade » 02 Apr 2018, 11:13

Kwacky wrote:Planes fly themselves and no one kicks off about that.


Agree but to be fair planes have Pilots to intervene if required. By their very name I'm not sure driveless cars will have this benefit.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Kwacky » 02 Apr 2018, 11:19

Long term maybe, but for now all car manufacturers are looking to produce cars with full control available for drivers. The governement is also insisting that there be a person in charge of a vehicle and that person has a car licence. All vehicles will be insured as well. Some of the car manufacturers have said that they wil insure their vehicles.

Vehicles on the road HAVE to be insured. There is never going to be a day when that isn't the case.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Fireball » 02 Apr 2018, 11:41

In my line of work I see sensors and switches failing all the time and computer programmes that develop bugs all of a sudden and throw everything around suddenly for no reason. Therefore although technology is great and artificial intelligence is improving all the time but I doubt it that in our time we would see a car that can be totally trusted on auto pilot.

Just like the planes they will run on auto pilot but there has to be a driver in control if needed. You and I will never be able to fall sleep in the car and wake up again when we get to our final destination.That will be decades or even centuries away even if it ever happens.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby Blade » 02 Apr 2018, 11:48

Ray you can get different Safety Integrity Levels (SiL 1 to 4) for instruments and you could employ triple redundancy if needed.

Simple systems with low risk fail yes. But high integrity systems can prove almost fail free.

Also remember any high level SiL instunentations sensors would most likely be a service item in any future design, where as alot of current sensors in vehicles are not classed as failure safety critical so not a good comparison.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby D41 » 02 Apr 2018, 12:01

Even in planes with auto-pilot switched off pilots only have partial control/input....a modern plane, left purely to human control, would simply fall out of the sky.
I think one of the biggest hold-ups to this sort of thing being accepted is ego.
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby kiwikrasher » 02 Apr 2018, 12:37

D41 wrote:a modern plane, left purely to human control, would simply fall out of the sky.


What a load of dribble
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Re: Autopilot driving

Postby sir thomas blanchard » 02 Apr 2018, 12:43

there's the docklands railway that has been running for years without drivers, goes quite slow though.
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