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I think us ordinary folk are probably seen as collateral damage to those in charge.
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Amber Rudd. yet another with skeletons in the cupboard. Its all do as they say and not as they do.

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duke63 wrote:Amber Rudd. yet another with skeletons in the cupboard. Its all do as they say and not as they do.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ared-unfit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Amber Rudd became a director and shareholder of Lawnstone Limited at the age of 24 in January 1988, taking over from her sister and brother-in-law."

"The Lawnstone Group’s accounts reveal that the company paid zero corporation tax under the home secretary’s control, despite reporting five-figure profits in its final four years"


Aka poacher turned gamekeeper.?
(wait) No, actually I guess that should be : turned top poacher responsible for running the gamekeepers (into the ground).
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The pro-conservative The Spectator seems to be turning against Mrs May

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/thi ... aign-ever/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am trying to remember if there was ever a worse Conservative election campaign than this current dog’s breakfast — and failing. Certainly 2001 was pretty awful, with Oliver Letwin going rogue and Thatcher sniping nastily from behind the arras. It is often said that 1987 was a little lacklustre and Ted Heath had effectively thrown in the towel in October 1974. But I don’t think anything quite matches up to this combination of prize gaffes and the robotic incantation of platitudinous idiocies.

Third. Theresa May has the personal warmth, wit, oratorical ability and attractiveness of an Indesit fridge-freezer which has been faultily connected by a man called Trevor for five quid, cash in hand, and which is now full of decomposing Findus Crispy Pancakes. There is no vision, there is no chutzpah. Just the bland repetition of meaningless phrases. Corbyn is a far better campaigner.
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Are the people who voted for her complain ing??

I mean, she WAS actually voted into office, correct??
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No. At least in terms of being voted in as PM.
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Ah...OK. Thanks for that. Been reading up on her a bit. Seems she inherited quite the mixed bag of candy.
I'd forgotten about Cameron bailing out.
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Cameron knew that leaving the EU is a massive bag of shit that no one in their right mind would want to touch. He's loaded, he doesn't need the grief, he jumped ship.

May saw it as a chance to take control of the Tory party. There wasn't a real contest for it. None of the proper candidates stepped forward, they'll do that after Brexit when May has taken the hit.
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Oh....all's well that ends well, then..../
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Another Angry Voice
Here's a "little" thought experiment for anyone who is still undecided about how to vote in the 2017 General Election:

Let's say Jeremy Corbyn had presented an absolute farce of an uncosted manifesto that was so poorly written that he had to start tearing pages out of it within days of the launch!

Let's say one of Corbyn's flagship policies was a plan to asset strip you/your parents/your grandparents with a 100% stealth inheritance tax when you/they get infirm in their old age and need social care!

Let's say the public revulsion at his Dementia Tax was so severe that he had to do a humiliating a climbdown on his depraved asset stripping policy within days, by claiming there would be a cap (but not specifying how much the cap would be)!

Let's say Corbyn announced more cash for the NHS as a vote winner policy, but the Institute for Fiscal Studies found that there isn't actually a penny of extra cash for the NHS at all in his plans!

Let's say Corbyn was planning to scrap free school meals for infant school children and replace them with free school breakfasts, but he screwed up his calculations so badly that it works out at just 7p per child, per day!

Let's say Corbyn had slashed 20,000 police jobs during his time as Home Secretary, then his replacement in the role was refusing to rule out even more police cuts, despite very serious public safety concerns having been repeatedly raised by the police!

Let's say the timing of the election had been entirely Corbyn's decision, and after a year of promising "no snap elections" he put his own interests way above the interests of the nation by calling an outrageously self-serving snap election literally within weeks of setting the clock ticking on the most complex and risky set of diplomatic negotiations the UK has ever faced, just because his poll lead was super high at the time!

Let's say the IFS found that Corbyn's education plans involved slashing £9 billion from our kids' schools over the next five years, meaning severe cutbacks for almost every classroom in the country!

Let's say Corbyn's Brexit "negotiating strategy" didn't focus on protecting jobs and the economy, but was actually just a threat to trash the UK economy by stropping away from the negotiating table with nothing in order to turn the UK into a near-universally despised corporate tax haven!

Let's say Corbyn didn't have a single positive policy to promote, so he and his party just insisted on smearing his opponent at every opportunity!

Let's say that while Corbyn's opponent was speaking in front of crowds of thousands up and down the country, Corbyn insisted on conducting his campaign from a succession of secretive invitation only party political safe spaces with no members of the public, just party loyalists and selected members of the press!

Let's say Corbyn was backed by a bunch of billionaires who gave him £millions to invest in a secretive campaign of dark ads, and that he refused to provide examples of the political attack ads he's spewing all over social media to the electoral authorities!

Let's say Corbyn had had numerous meetings with billionaire press barons, and his manifesto included a commitment to sling the Leveson Report into press corruption in the bin, as if the press hacking into the phone of a dead teenager had never actually happened!

Let's say Corbyn wanted to bring back the barbaric practice of ripping apart live foxes with packs of dogs that 84% of the public wish to remain banned!

Let's say that instead of committing not to raise taxes for the 95% of ordinary people who earn less than £1,600 per week, he actually scrapped his party's pre-existing pledges not to raise income tax and National Insurance!

Let's say Corbyn was such a coward that he refused to appear in the leaders' debates, and instead sent out one of his underlings to serve as a human bullet shield!

If Jeremy Corbyn was behaving in this outrageous manner, what would the mainstream press be saying about him?
And why are the mainstream press not saying those things about Theresa May?
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Interesting thing about the cap on 'asset stripping' the old is that it only benefits the well off. Let's say they cap it at £500k. So only those with an estate worth more will benefit.

Surely a fairer way would have been to increase the limit on what you would be allowed to keep?????
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Monty wrote:Another Angry Voice
Here's a "little" thought experiment for anyone who is still undecided about how to vote in the 2017 General Election:

Let's say Jeremy Corbyn had presented an absolute farce of an uncosted manifesto that was so poorly written that he had to start tearing pages out of it within days of the launch!

Let's say one of Corbyn's flagship policies was a plan to asset strip you/your parents/your grandparents with a 100% stealth inheritance tax when you/they get infirm in their old age and need social care!

Let's say the public revulsion at his Dementia Tax was so severe that he had to do a humiliating a climbdown on his depraved asset stripping policy within days, by claiming there would be a cap (but not specifying how much the cap would be)!

Let's say Corbyn announced more cash for the NHS as a vote winner policy, but the Institute for Fiscal Studies found that there isn't actually a penny of extra cash for the NHS at all in his plans!

Let's say Corbyn was planning to scrap free school meals for infant school children and replace them with free school breakfasts, but he screwed up his calculations so badly that it works out at just 7p per child, per day!

Let's say Corbyn had slashed 20,000 police jobs during his time as Home Secretary, then his replacement in the role was refusing to rule out even more police cuts, despite very serious public safety concerns having been repeatedly raised by the police!

Let's say the timing of the election had been entirely Corbyn's decision, and after a year of promising "no snap elections" he put his own interests way above the interests of the nation by calling an outrageously self-serving snap election literally within weeks of setting the clock ticking on the most complex and risky set of diplomatic negotiations the UK has ever faced, just because his poll lead was super high at the time!

Let's say the IFS found that Corbyn's education plans involved slashing £9 billion from our kids' schools over the next five years, meaning severe cutbacks for almost every classroom in the country!

Let's say Corbyn's Brexit "negotiating strategy" didn't focus on protecting jobs and the economy, but was actually just a threat to trash the UK economy by stropping away from the negotiating table with nothing in order to turn the UK into a near-universally despised corporate tax haven!

Let's say Corbyn didn't have a single positive policy to promote, so he and his party just insisted on smearing his opponent at every opportunity!

Let's say that while Corbyn's opponent was speaking in front of crowds of thousands up and down the country, Corbyn insisted on conducting his campaign from a succession of secretive invitation only party political safe spaces with no members of the public, just party loyalists and selected members of the press!

Let's say Corbyn was backed by a bunch of billionaires who gave him £millions to invest in a secretive campaign of dark ads, and that he refused to provide examples of the political attack ads he's spewing all over social media to the electoral authorities!

Let's say Corbyn had had numerous meetings with billionaire press barons, and his manifesto included a commitment to sling the Leveson Report into press corruption in the bin, as if the press hacking into the phone of a dead teenager had never actually happened!

Let's say Corbyn wanted to bring back the barbaric practice of ripping apart live foxes with packs of dogs that 84% of the public wish to remain banned!

Let's say that instead of committing not to raise taxes for the 95% of ordinary people who earn less than £1,600 per week, he actually scrapped his party's pre-existing pledges not to raise income tax and National Insurance!

Let's say Corbyn was such a coward that he refused to appear in the leaders' debates, and instead sent out one of his underlings to serve as a human bullet shield!

If Jeremy Corbyn was behaving in this outrageous manner, what would the mainstream press be saying about him?
And why are the mainstream press not saying those things about Theresa May?
Only problem with the IRA sympathising pansy is he couldn't organise a p1ss up in a brewery never mind lead a nation and command the respect of his own party.
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duke63 wrote:Interesting thing about the cap on 'asset stripping' the old is that it only benefits the well off. Let's say they cap it at £500k. So only those with an estate worth more will benefit.

Surely a fairer way would have been to increase the limit on what you would be allowed to keep?????
How can we know, they've refused to tell us what the cap is going to be until after the election. It's like I'm definitely going to F@ck you up the arse, but I'm not going to tell you how far I'm going to stick it in!

What I will say is we do have a problem with the expanding cost of social care and I'm not convinced what we (Labour) is offering will solve it. It's time to start thinking very differently as the problem we have is two fold.

How can we possibly think it's OK to punish someone with 100s of thousands of care costs having spent their entire lives saving, paying into a pension, paying national insurance and a mortgage. And then on the other foot cover the costs of someone that hasn't with free care?

Even me, a grass roots socialist can't see the fairness in that!
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Blade wrote:
Monty wrote:Another Angry Voice
Here's a "little" thought experiment for anyone who is still undecided about how to vote in the 2017 General Election:

Let's say Jeremy Corbyn had presented an absolute farce of an uncosted manifesto that was so poorly written that he had to start tearing pages out of it within days of the launch!

Let's say one of Corbyn's flagship policies was a plan to asset strip you/your parents/your grandparents with a 100% stealth inheritance tax when you/they get infirm in their old age and need social care!

Let's say the public revulsion at his Dementia Tax was so severe that he had to do a humiliating a climbdown on his depraved asset stripping policy within days, by claiming there would be a cap (but not specifying how much the cap would be)!

Let's say Corbyn announced more cash for the NHS as a vote winner policy, but the Institute for Fiscal Studies found that there isn't actually a penny of extra cash for the NHS at all in his plans!

Let's say Corbyn was planning to scrap free school meals for infant school children and replace them with free school breakfasts, but he screwed up his calculations so badly that it works out at just 7p per child, per day!

Let's say Corbyn had slashed 20,000 police jobs during his time as Home Secretary, then his replacement in the role was refusing to rule out even more police cuts, despite very serious public safety concerns having been repeatedly raised by the police!

Let's say the timing of the election had been entirely Corbyn's decision, and after a year of promising "no snap elections" he put his own interests way above the interests of the nation by calling an outrageously self-serving snap election literally within weeks of setting the clock ticking on the most complex and risky set of diplomatic negotiations the UK has ever faced, just because his poll lead was super high at the time!

Let's say the IFS found that Corbyn's education plans involved slashing £9 billion from our kids' schools over the next five years, meaning severe cutbacks for almost every classroom in the country!

Let's say Corbyn's Brexit "negotiating strategy" didn't focus on protecting jobs and the economy, but was actually just a threat to trash the UK economy by stropping away from the negotiating table with nothing in order to turn the UK into a near-universally despised corporate tax haven!

Let's say Corbyn didn't have a single positive policy to promote, so he and his party just insisted on smearing his opponent at every opportunity!

Let's say that while Corbyn's opponent was speaking in front of crowds of thousands up and down the country, Corbyn insisted on conducting his campaign from a succession of secretive invitation only party political safe spaces with no members of the public, just party loyalists and selected members of the press!

Let's say Corbyn was backed by a bunch of billionaires who gave him £millions to invest in a secretive campaign of dark ads, and that he refused to provide examples of the political attack ads he's spewing all over social media to the electoral authorities!

Let's say Corbyn had had numerous meetings with billionaire press barons, and his manifesto included a commitment to sling the Leveson Report into press corruption in the bin, as if the press hacking into the phone of a dead teenager had never actually happened!

Let's say Corbyn wanted to bring back the barbaric practice of ripping apart live foxes with packs of dogs that 84% of the public wish to remain banned!

Let's say that instead of committing not to raise taxes for the 95% of ordinary people who earn less than £1,600 per week, he actually scrapped his party's pre-existing pledges not to raise income tax and National Insurance!

Let's say Corbyn was such a coward that he refused to appear in the leaders' debates, and instead sent out one of his underlings to serve as a human bullet shield!

If Jeremy Corbyn was behaving in this outrageous manner, what would the mainstream press be saying about him?
And why are the mainstream press not saying those things about Theresa May?
Only problem with the IRA sympathising pansy is he couldn't organise a p1ss up in a brewery never mind lead a nation and his own party have stated as much.
Oh shut up you dick!
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duke63 wrote:[/list].......Surely a fairer way would have been to increase the limit on what you would be allowed to keep?????
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Of course it would mate, but surely you're not taken in by believing their intention is to be fair.?? 8-|
Same as all their policies.: Grab as much for themselves & their backers, but represent their theft as being a socially responsible decision.

Trouble is (as I keep saying) I don't see any good outcome available from my vote. Fwiw I honestly feel may have to dishonour our forbearers ;( and not vote (first time).
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Anyway I thought you didn't do politics? (lol)
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StMarks wrote:]
duke63 wrote:[/list].......Surely a fairer way would have been to increase the limit on what you would be allowed to keep?????
(nod)

Of course it would mate, but surely you're not taken in by believing their intention is to be fair.?? 8-|
Same as all their policies.: Grab as much for themselves & their backers, but represent their theft as being a socially responsible decision.

Trouble is (as I keep saying) I don't see any good outcome available from my vote. Fwiw I honestly feel may have to dishonour our forbearers ;( and not vote (first time).
Monty wrote:....Oh shut up you dick!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion Monty.?
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