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Brexit Round 2

Postby Kwacky » 03 Nov 2016, 11:15

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785

Parliament must vote on whether the UK can start the process of leaving the European Union, the High Court has ruled.

This means the government cannot trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - beginning formal discussions with the EU - on its own.

Theresa May says the Brexit referendum and ministerial powers mean MPs do not need to vote, but campaigners argue this is unconstitutional.

The government is expected to appeal.

The prime minister has said she will activate Article 50, formally notifying the EU of the UK's intention to leave, by the end of next March. This follows the UK's decision to back Brexit in June's referendum by a margin of 51.9% to 48.1%.

The EU's other 27 members have said negotiations about the terms of the UK's exit - due to last two years - cannot begin until Article 50 has been invoked.

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said, if the court's decision is not overturned, there could be "months and months" of parliamentary hurdles ahead.

The government is expected to appeal against the decision, with a further hearing to be held in the Supreme Court.

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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby duke63 » 03 Nov 2016, 12:02

Time for May and her cabinet to resign. She overstepped her powers. Let's have a General Election.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby DaytonAndy » 03 Nov 2016, 12:10

Surely the public have already voted?
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby duke63 » 03 Nov 2016, 12:13

The public voted on a referendum that isn't legally binding. The whole thing is a complete disaster.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby DaytonAndy » 03 Nov 2016, 12:18

I agree completely that it's not legally binding is ridiculous. Feelings about Theresa May excepted, she's trying to enforce what the British public voted for. The Scots have to live with their 'in' vote so why should our vote be any different?
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby Kwacky » 03 Nov 2016, 12:20

The public has voted. But that was only the first step in the process. When Cameron first proposed the referendum he said he would return to the EU and see what could be done before then going to Parliament to work out the terms. The EU stuck two fingers up even before the vote and said "no chance, no more deals". That's one of the reasons why Cameron jumped after the vote.

Someone has asked the Court to look at whether the government can simply go ahead and get us out of the EU without first putting it to Parliament. The Court has said no. The Lord Chief Justice declared: "The government does not have power under the Crown's prerogative to give notice pursuant to Article 50 for the UK to withdraw from the European Union."

So the vote stands for now but it's got to be put to Parliament. In all honesty I cannot see MPs turning against the original vote.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby StMarks » 03 Nov 2016, 12:58

Wouldn't it be just great if we voted out, suffered all the ensuing consequences ( we are all at least -20% poorer than we were beforehand, in a global perspective etc.....)
Then had the vote overturned ( by a new government, or reversed in another vote, or legally vetoed etc..) & had to go back, cap in hand...
I expect they really would royally bend us over then. Forget Sterling, we'd be lucky to be allowed to keep English as a first language..

Nothing to do with the Organisation bit, this country can't even leave the "Piss up in the Brewery" without f*cking it up.!
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby Monty » 03 Nov 2016, 14:17

Great isn't it. The leave camp parp on endlessly about how the UK parliament should be sovereign and then have a melt down when the High Court rules that the UK parliament is sovereign.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby D41 » 03 Nov 2016, 14:58

It's like a soccer match innit??

Hi...we played you for the Championship....and lost!!

How's about a re-match??

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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby duke63 » 03 Nov 2016, 16:41

It's worrying how so out of control and ill thought out this all is. It will affect the country and its population for years but it sounds like the whole thing was worked out on the back of a fag packet on one pissed up Parliamentary lunch meeting.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby duke63 » 03 Nov 2016, 16:41

We must be the laughing stock of the world.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby D41 » 03 Nov 2016, 17:07

I dunno....I think people are watching with interest, and it's certainly been the 'reason' behind a few ads touting better interest rates in the US, or whatever. I've not seen anything openly derogatory.

If anything, the decision has more or less been made one way or another, and the 'unknown' factor of the whole thing has been settled to a certain degree.....That means at least a bit of stability in the eyes of the public.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby Monty » 03 Nov 2016, 17:20

duke63 wrote:We must be the laughing stock of the world.


We would be if Trump hadn't trumped us (facepalm)
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby D41 » 03 Nov 2016, 18:09

He's Ken Barlow/Bill Roache come to life!!
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby duke63 » 03 Nov 2016, 20:46

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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby D6Nutz » 03 Nov 2016, 21:36

Lol, just lol..
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby Rossgo » 04 Nov 2016, 15:24

Shows plenty of people's place in this country if we don't go through with it in my opinion
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby Monty » 04 Nov 2016, 15:59

Don't worry Ross it will go through despite what The Mail and and the rest of the dip sh!t press say.

It's just parliamentary procedure. The referendum is only advisory and has no legal basis, it must be passed by the sovereign British government, otherwise it can't legally be enacted.

All these lawyers have done is told Mrs May exactly what she already knew and was choosing to ignore. Fook knows why, what was she going to do................ oh look a squirrel!!!

Really don't see what the fuss is about, but I'm enjoying reading the utter panic on Facebook from the leave brigade. The irony of a sovereign British parliament seems to be totally lost on them.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby Kwacky » 04 Nov 2016, 16:07

Basically a lot of people don't want to be told by British Judges sitting in a British Court what Britain should do.

What cracks me up is that David Cameron told everyone what the process would be before he started, so none of this should come as any surprise.

What really worries May is that parliament wants a say on how we get out of Europe. That means her mates won't be making as much money as they would have liked.
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Re: Brexit Round 2

Postby duke63 » 04 Nov 2016, 17:08

Whatever happens it should now guarantee a soft Brexit at worst. I cannot imagine a majority of Parliament ever voting to cut itself off from the single market.
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