Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

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Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Spudda » 22 Dec 2019, 17:33

Did I dream it or was there a self mapping programme on the Daytona 600/650 ?
Something like letting it idle and it would hunt whilst going through 3 fan cycles ?
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Kwacky » 22 Dec 2019, 17:43

Fire it up, leave it to run until the fan kicks in. It doesn't take long.

Or something like that.

There isn't much of a difference but it can do minor amendments.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby C00kiemonster » 22 Dec 2019, 18:04

Yep. Don't touch the throttle at all while doing it
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Stonesie » 22 Dec 2019, 18:32

Yep as said just start it up and do not touch the throttle until the fan comes on, it's an "Adaption's re-set".
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Blade » 22 Dec 2019, 21:19

Intrigued how does it self map on a closed throttle in a totally uncontrolled variable environment?
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Kwacky » 22 Dec 2019, 21:39

It's very minor adjustments to the fuelling, nothing more.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Blade » 22 Dec 2019, 21:45

How does it know what minor changes to make is my point? I can only see it being able to measure temperature change over time, on a closed throttle and air mass and air pressure in the circumstances described and therefore any changes that are made would only be suitable for the conditions at that time, which lets be honest will most probably be different by the morning.

I honestly dont see what even minor changes could be beneficial using the extremely limited scope of standard fitment, on engine sensors or am I missing something?
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Kwacky » 22 Dec 2019, 21:51

You're reading too much into it. The technology is well over 15 years old. It's not as powerful or complicated as modern tech on vehicles. All it does it to reset the sensors.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Blade » 22 Dec 2019, 21:54

So it's not self mapping it's a factory reset?
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Monty » 23 Dec 2019, 00:40

It’s not self mapping, it just sets the base map/AFR to the current air temp and pressure.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Blade » 23 Dec 2019, 10:38

Monty wrote:It’s not self mapping, it just sets the base map/AFR to the current air temp and pressure.


Wheres the advantage though? It would need mapping every day or upon any significant weather change to be relevant if that's what it's doing.

It almost sounds like they didnt give the bike a decent base map in the factory if it needs tweaking for small changes in air temperature and pressure.

Sounds like magic to me (giggle)
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby C00kiemonster » 23 Dec 2019, 10:44

Its useful if you change end can, air filter and the like as well as if the ambient temperature is much higher or lower than last time the bike ran.

Clever system really, saved a load of remapping and definitely improved the bikes fuelling when required.

Triumphs are magic - always have been.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Blade » 23 Dec 2019, 10:46

Haha Triumphs are magic. A late discovery for me, but better late than never (giggle)
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Monty » 23 Dec 2019, 10:58

I may be wrong but didn’t also reset the TPS
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Kwacky » 23 Dec 2019, 11:02

Yep.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby Blade » 23 Dec 2019, 11:03

Monty wrote:I may be wrong but didn’t also reset the TPS


That would make the most sense of all.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby C00kiemonster » 23 Dec 2019, 11:46

Monty wrote:I may be wrong but didn’t also reset the TPS


Yep - which is why if you touch the throttle at all it doesnt work.
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Re: Self Mapping on the Daytona 600/650

Postby D41 » 25 Dec 2019, 11:40

And you didn't actually have to let it do the 3 heat-cycle-thing either. Three on/offs with the ignition & kill-switch (or something like that) was all it really needed to reset everything. Takes about a minute to do it.
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